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Old May 26 2013, 12:11 AM   #466
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Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

No money.

Mankind having evolved past greed and now working only to better themselves.

It's a good idea, but more like 53rd century.
Naw, it's more like the 1930's:

"Many of the normal motives of civilized life-snobbishness, money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc.-had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves, and no one owned anyone else as his master." George Orwell - Homage to Catalonia page 104.

But apparently to some on this message board, it seems, this kind of de-alienation is beyond reason.

"Hamin obviously found it hard to believe the Culture really did do without money.
'But what if I do want something unreasonable?"
'What?'
'My own planet?' Hamin wheezed with laughter.
'How can you own a planet.?' Gurgen shook his head.
'But supposing I wanted one?'
'I suppose if you found an unoccupied one you could land without anyone becoming annoyed...perhaps that would work. But how would you stop other people landing there, too?'
'Could I not buy a fleet of warships?'
'All our ships are sentient. You could certainly try telling a ship what to do...but I don't think you'd get very far.'
'Your ships think they're sentient!' Hamin chuckled.
'A common delusion shared by some of our human citizens.'" -- The Player of Games by Iain Banks.
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Old June 13 2013, 03:08 PM   #467
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Another thing that irritates me about TNG is synthehol and the almost sneery attitude that people have to alcohol.
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Old June 13 2013, 07:28 PM   #468
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Another thing that irritates me about TNG is synthehol and the almost sneery attitude that people have to alcohol.
Seems to be a trait on the Ent D. Maybe the fedration worlds purposely put all there douche bags on one ship to get them as far away as possible for a long time and hopefully get blown us!

Thats why they have there family on board too. Get rid of all of em haha

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Old June 13 2013, 07:46 PM   #469
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Another thing that irritates me about TNG is synthehol and the almost sneery attitude that people have to alcohol.
If you came from a family of abusive alcoholics, you would find TNG's "sneery" attitude quite correct. Despite the fact that their attitude wasn't "sneery" at all.
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Old June 13 2013, 07:47 PM   #470
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turbolifts

emotionless aliens

pure energy aliens

alien who enslave starfleet officers to do gladiators (how many times happened? 3?4?)

and a ship were everyone is an officer
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Old June 13 2013, 07:51 PM   #471
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^What's wrong with turbolifts? And why would you expect aliens to have human emotions?
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Old June 13 2013, 07:58 PM   #472
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^What's wrong with turbolifts? And why would you expect aliens to have human emotions?
they both have no sense
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Old June 13 2013, 08:03 PM   #473
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^What's wrong with turbolifts? And why would you expect aliens to have human emotions?
they both have no sense
Well that clarifies things.
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Old June 13 2013, 08:46 PM   #474
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Maybe the fedration worlds purposely but all there douche bags on one ship to get them as far away as possible for a long time and hopefully get blown us!

Thats why they have there family on board too. Get rid of all of em haha
That could certainly explain that grating pomposity that most of the crew tend to exhibit at least occasionally.

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If you came from a family of abusive alcoholics, you would find TNG's "sneery" attitude quite correct. Despite the fact that their attitude wasn't "sneery" at all.
As someone who has very little patience with the preachiness of TNG, I have to admit I never thought they were being preachy about alcohol, simply stating that they had a similar tasting beverage without the intoxicating effects. Essentially, they just finally got near-beer right.
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Old June 13 2013, 08:55 PM   #475
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^What's wrong with turbolifts? And why would you expect aliens to have human emotions?
they both have no sense
That doesn't really answer the question.
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Old June 13 2013, 09:38 PM   #476
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^What's wrong with turbolifts? And why would you expect aliens to have human emotions?
they both have no sense
That doesn't really answer the question.
turbolift are a waste of space; emotionless alien are senseless because, well, i don't know how to explain it, it's more for internal coherence (vulcans seems to have emotions )
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Old June 13 2013, 09:59 PM   #477
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As someone who has very little patience with the preachiness of TNG, I have to admit I never thought they were being preachy about alcohol, simply stating that they had a similar tasting beverage without the intoxicating effects. Essentially, they just finally got near-beer right.
As a minor nit, according to Data, synthehol does have an intoxicating effect - just one that "can be easily dismissed".

Not sure how that would work, but there it is.
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Old June 13 2013, 10:01 PM   #478
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Turbolifts do take up space, but so does everything else. Space is not at a premium on a starship, there's plenty of extra room.
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Old June 14 2013, 10:10 AM   #479
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turbolift are a waste of space
So are bridges and bedrooms.

Hwo would you have them move about ? Stairs ? Transporters ?
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Old June 14 2013, 11:43 AM   #480
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turbolift are a waste of space
So are bridges and bedrooms.

Hwo would you have them move about ? Stairs ? Transporters ?
stairs and corridors and normal lift, like today's ship (some are bigger than tos enterspise)
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