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Old June 12 2013, 08:49 PM   #31
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Re: Why was the Enterprise.. [Spoilers]

^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

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Old June 12 2013, 08:51 PM   #32
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You should really stop using Ex-astris-scientia as a trek source. The author of that site is a bit of a neurotic.
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Old June 12 2013, 10:24 PM   #33
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Yeah, I caught that too. Textbook example "I've definitely lost the argument, but if I keep pretending that I didn't, then maybe I didn't."
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Old June 12 2013, 10:46 PM   #34
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A prediction for the next movie: We will see the Enterprise land on a planet, with landing legs coming out of the secondary hull, like Voyager. The size of these legs will appear to account for most of the volume of the secondary hull, sparking 20+ page threads with much bickering.

I am only half joking.
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Old June 12 2013, 11:06 PM   #35
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I am less worried about the Enterprise being parked under water, as I am about how long it would take two humans to swim the distance from the surface to that hatch in the secondary hull. I am asking myself this other question, was there a reason why they didn't swim to the primary hull, which was closer to the surface?
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Old June 12 2013, 11:10 PM   #36
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I am less worried about the Enterprise being parked under water, as I am about how long it would take two humans to swim the distance from the surface to that hatch in the secondary hull. I am asking myself this other question, was there a reason why they didn't swim to the primary hull, which was closer to the surface?
Two reasons:

1) the primary hull is closer to the surface, but the actual distance is somewhat farther away, and the hatches on the primary hull are probably farther still

2) They weren't "swimming" as such; they had some kind of propulsion jets on the boots of their wetsuits, so it would have been a pretty easy "swim".
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Old June 13 2013, 01:16 AM   #37
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer, then the ship's length is about 850m.

I think people will be shocked when the new official numbers come out on the BluRay extras.

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Old June 13 2013, 01:28 AM   #38
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Re: Why was the Enterprise.. [Spoilers]

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer, then the ship's length is coincidentally about 750m.

I think people will be shocked when the new official numbers come out on the BluRay extras.
I think I'd really like it if that argument didn't keep getting raised outside of the thread expressly provided for the purpose.
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Old June 13 2013, 02:19 AM   #39
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer
Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"
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Old June 13 2013, 03:16 AM   #40
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I don't mind it being underwater. I just hate seeing it sail through the air.
Yeah, that never happened before...




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Old June 13 2013, 03:39 AM   #41
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Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer
Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"
They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:43 AM   #42
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Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer
Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"
They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.
Were they using sensors to measure -- down to the centimeter -- the exact distance of his jump?

Better question: if you were tracking Khan though, say, the optics pod of a Predator drone, would you even be able to tell with any accuracy how far that jump really was?
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Old June 13 2013, 05:40 AM   #43
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Well if what happens is a few fusion reactors creating a bubble which lightens the ship's mass causing it to have unprecedented rates of acceleration, what are the giant glowing red ports on the back of the saucer for?
Those are the impulse engines. Here is a blueprint - it's not the Abrams version, but I can't imagine that something like that would be any different. (I can't seem to find blueprints of the Abramsprise online.)

I don't know if increasing the mass of something in space causes deceleration per the theroy, maybe it does. Do suns slow their respective galactic speed as they go to red giants?
If they do slow down, it's not because they've gained mass - if anything, they've lost it. Some red giants - typically toward the end of their red giant phase - blow off the outer parts of their atmosphere.

Their rotation would slow down due to the conservation of angular momentum, but not their actual motion, unless they were acted upon by an outside gravitational force.

(Disclaimer: I'm not an astronomer or physicist - just an enthusiast. I do have a math degree, but with a very small number of exceptions, I haven't had to do any higher mathematics in a little over 20 years.)
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Old June 13 2013, 10:38 AM   #44
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer, then the ship's length is coincidentally about 750m.

I think people will be shocked when the new official numbers come out on the BluRay extras.
I think I'd really like it if that argument didn't keep getting raised outside of the thread expressly provided for the purpose.
A thread where I am still patiently awaiting a reply from WarpFactorZ.
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Old June 13 2013, 11:41 AM   #45
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^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Ex Astris Scientia is a perfect example for all what is wrong with today's fandom. See here http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...mment.htm#size

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