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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 6 2013, 10:38 PM   #16
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

I've always thought he picked up on the code to a point, he was still hanging around.
...But OTOH he would want to believe in Kirk being defeated; a big point in the movie was that while Khan was supersmart, he was also a complete idiot, chiefly because he believed so hard in his own superiority.

Also, it's flattering that the audience picks the cue where the supervillain doesn't, now isn't it?

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Old June 9 2013, 12:55 AM   #17
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I think Kirk was genuinely pissed at Khan, and he was also trying to lead Khan into a false since of victory.
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Old June 9 2013, 07:08 PM   #18
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

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Meh... I think Kirk was genuinely pissed, despite the plan.
Agreed. Kirk was employing any kind of bluff in this scene. he was pissed.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:41 AM   #19
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

Having just rewatched TWOK Director's Edition last night, it seems clear to me that it's a mixture of both motivations. I still think he had a plan (he was trying to convince Khan to go away because Enterprise already had orders to bluff Khan into thinking they needed longer to repair themselves, and playing to Khan's ego was a way of making Khan think he'd won), but the heat of the moment and the following scene where he discusses with Dr. Marcus about how Khan "wants me dead" indicates that the pressures of the situation are getting to him. It isn't until he's in the Genesis cave that he reaches a state of perfect calm again.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:01 AM   #20
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

Just got back from seeing it in the theater. Kirk was motherfucking PISSED OFF! Sure he didn't want to tip his hand, but the rage is real. Emanated from deep with in his testicles. As well all know, testicular rage is the purest rage.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:12 AM   #21
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Just got back from seeing it in the theater. Kirk was motherfucking PISSED OFF! Sure he didn't want to tip his hand, but the rage is real. Emanated from deep with in his testicles. As well all know, testicular rage is the purest rage.
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Old June 10 2013, 04:28 PM   #22
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

It was so he could have a Shatner Moment.

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Old June 11 2013, 01:10 PM   #23
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Remember that just then Khan managed to beam up the Genesis Device. This was officially Not a Good Thing.

Kirk is desperate to get it back so he then does the "you're going to have to come down here" line (which doesn't make any sense as Khan could beam Kirk up too). And Khan doesn't play along. So yeah, Kirk is not happy.

But he's also playing along at the same time. I think.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:00 PM   #24
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Remember that just then Khan managed to beam up the Genesis Device. This was officially Not a Good Thing.

Kirk is desperate to get it back so he then does the "you're going to have to come down here" line (which doesn't make any sense as Khan could beam Kirk up too). And Khan doesn't play along. So yeah, Kirk is not happy.

But he's also playing along at the same time. I think.
Exactly. With the Enterprise needing two hours for very basic repairs, Khan could have gone anywhere with Genesis. He could have even used it against the Enterprise.

No, Kirk is not faking it.
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Old June 12 2013, 11:08 PM   #25
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

If you want to add even more motivation... there's also the background guilt and anger Kirk's probably feeling that because of him (however well-intentioned he was when he marooned Khan), people have died. I even briefly get the idea Terrell and Kirk are at least, acquaintances. Kirk feels responsibility for all of this.
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Old January 1 2014, 05:11 PM   #26
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I think he both peed off and sad that his friends just died.
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Old January 2 2014, 03:16 AM   #27
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Re: Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan - Why did Kirk yell "KHAAAAAN!"?

Just an aside, here:

Am I the only one who noticed Kirstie Alley mouthing The Shat's lines on the bridge, before she stands up and delivers her "General Order 12" remark?
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Old January 2 2014, 05:59 AM   #28
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No you're not. I've noticed that, too.
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Old January 2 2014, 07:01 PM   #29
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Meh... I think Kirk was genuinely pissed, despite the plan.
Agreed-I think that Kirk was pissed off at seeing his friends (and family) be hurt badly, and the exasperation and anger had built up in him to an explosion, which we witnessed.
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Old January 2 2014, 08:48 PM   #30
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Kirk was pissed because Khan forced him into plan B. Plan A was Fizzbin.
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