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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.38%
A 161 21.67%
A- 100 13.46%
B+ 82 11.04%
B 58 7.81%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.71%
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Old June 12 2013, 04:43 PM   #4186
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Great post, Ovation.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:00 PM   #4187
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But why do people condemn one version of Trek for doing something that another version they liked did?
My favourite movie and my least favourite movie both have actors in. I guess it's hypocritical to favour one over the other.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:13 PM   #4188
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But why do people condemn one version of Trek for doing something that another version they liked did?
My favourite movie and my least favourite movie both have actors in. I guess it's hypocritical to favour one over the other.
No. But you are making a specious argument.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:15 PM   #4189
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But why do people condemn one version of Trek for doing something that another version they liked did?
My favourite movie and my least favourite movie both have actors in. I guess it's hypocritical to favour one over the other.
The sad thing is, you likely believe that is what everyone is talking about.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:15 PM   #4190
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Ovation: Nit-picking stuff such as warp speed/travel time in Abrams' Trek but giving TOS a pass is symptomatic of wider concerns that are far too nebulous to provide any real basis for argument. It's widely accepted that "I didn't like it, erm, because" just doesn't hold water so it's easy to nit-pick specific items that may not hold up in isolation due to movies being more than the sum of their parts.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:19 PM   #4191
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But why do people condemn one version of Trek for doing something that another version they liked did?
My favourite movie and my least favourite movie both have actors in. I guess it's hypocritical to favour one over the other.
The sad thing is, you likely believe that is what everyone is talking about.
You're right. I'm most likely an idiot.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:22 PM   #4192
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If the poster holds previous Trek films up as something that nuTrek should aspire to, then criticism of the current movies for "flaws" that are evident in the old movies is irrelevant.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:26 PM   #4193
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My favourite movie and my least favourite movie both have actors in. I guess it's hypocritical to favour one over the other.
The sad thing is, you likely believe that is what everyone is talking about.
You're right. I'm most likely an idiot.
Nope. But when you dig in on a certain position, it becomes harder and harder to dig out. Trust me I use to be a master at digging the hole so deep that no argument, no matter how rational, could drill its way though my thick skull.

I can understand the argument that the story doesn't work, the actors don't fit the part, dislike the set designs, dislike the spaceship designs, dislike lens-flares...

But when we're nitpicking things that have happened in pretty much every incarnation of Trek, I think perspective has been lost. We're down to some posters complaining about Spock running because it looks awkward. Nimoy looked awkward when he ran and I've never seen a single person lodge that as a complaint against TOS.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:37 PM   #4194
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Not to mention that Quinto and Cumberbatch both resemble track runners a lot more than most actors I've seen in similar situations (all out run).
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Old June 12 2013, 06:42 PM   #4195
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I think the Red Letter Media review of STID sums up my feelings about the movie pretty well.

Don't know if it's been brought up already, but here it is: http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-th...into-darkness/ (45 Minutes long)
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Old June 12 2013, 06:44 PM   #4196
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I think the Red Letter Media review of STID sums up my feelings about the movie pretty well.

Don't know if it's been brought up already, but here it is: http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-th...into-darkness/ (45 Minutes long)
I'm not watching a forty-five minute review of a two-hour movie.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:03 PM   #4197
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It's been posted on the board somewhere, already.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:13 PM   #4198
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I think the Red Letter Media review of STID sums up my feelings about the movie pretty well.

Don't know if it's been brought up already, but here it is: http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-th...into-darkness/ (45 Minutes long)
I'm not watching a forty-five minute review of a two-hour movie.
It's more of a discussion.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:15 PM   #4199
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I think the Red Letter Media review of STID sums up my feelings about the movie pretty well.

Don't know if it's been brought up already, but here it is: http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-th...into-darkness/ (45 Minutes long)
There is, in fact, a whole thread covering that (as Shazam! could no doubt have told you.) But rather than simply posting a link to a lengthy review with which some may not be familiar and saying "There - that's what I think," why not describe your feelings about the movie in your own words?
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Old June 12 2013, 07:40 PM   #4200
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But when we're nitpicking things that have happened in pretty much every incarnation of Trek, I think perspective has been lost
But we can't qualify every complaint. Unless we literally start accepting "because!" as a reasonable argument there will always be holes and / or elements or hypocrisy in anyone's opinions.

We're down to some posters complaining about Spock running because it looks awkward. Nimoy looked awkward when he ran and I've never seen a single person lodge that as a complaint against TOS.
Probably because they like TOS / Nimoy more - why would anyone moan about the thing they like? I just read criticism such as that as "and here's another thing..." type of a minor nitpick that of course doesn't hold up to scrutiny but is indicative of the poster's feelings of the movie as a whole.
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