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Old June 12 2013, 03:25 AM   #16
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Re: Things Starfleet needs to fix already on its ships.

Have the senior security officer and the senior tactical officer be two separate people.

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Old June 12 2013, 04:31 AM   #17
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Re: Things Starfleet needs to fix already on its ships.

Starfleet should have more kittens. Everything's better with kittens.
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Old June 12 2013, 06:00 AM   #18
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Re: Things Starfleet needs to fix already on its ships.

Security, security, security. It's way too easy to steal a shuttle, initiate an unauthorized transport, steal command codes, or sabotage pretty much anything.
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Old June 12 2013, 08:09 AM   #19
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A big sign needs to be placed outside of main engineering. "No unauthorized or unescorted visitors, No Kids, No Pets".
Matter of fact the doors shouldn't even open for them. The computer's smart enough.
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Old June 12 2013, 08:15 AM   #20
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Have more than one ship on standby to address any emergencies that can potentially destroy Earth.
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Old June 12 2013, 09:04 AM   #21
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Re: Things Starfleet needs to fix already on its ships.

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Someone needs to explain why a good 95% of Starfleet Admirals are either:

a) The bad guy
b) Wrong about something
c) Lame

They really do seem to promote all the dickheads. Its a wonder anything gets done.
That's why they have Alynna Nechayev, to pick up the slack caused by the rest of them
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Old June 12 2013, 09:35 AM   #22
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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
Thousands of starships are a fact? How? What we get from the episodes and movies (including the apparent lack of starships near earth) suggests the opposite, a rather small starfleet. And in the 23rd century even more so than in the 24th.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:00 PM   #23
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I've never understood why the com badges are always worn on top of their clothing. People are constantly kidnapping crew members and stealing their means of communication with the ship.

You would figure a civilization that mastered warp drive would only have to encounter that situation ONE time before developing subdermal com badges.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:08 PM   #24
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Mario de Monti wrote: View Post
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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
Thousands of starships are a fact? How? What we get from the episodes and movies (including the apparent lack of starships near earth) suggests the opposite, a rather small starfleet. And in the 23rd century even more so than in the 24th.

You jokeing right?

The federation spans I believe afew hundred odd light years do you even understand how vast 1 light year is?

As I said in another post think of all the dutys:


VIP transport and escort
Exploration
Border patrol (must take hundreds or possibly thousands of ships seeing as it borders are huge)
Humanitarian aid and disaster relief.
Diplomatic missions
Anti Piracy and other policing duties
Monitoring and surveying natural phenomenon
Monitoring and spying on local and external threats
Guarding the frontier
Anti Terrorism
Dangerous cargo transport

Starfleet would need at least 1000 ships operational at any given time dureing a complete peroid of peace!

Saying starfleet would have a few dozen ships would be like saying the US navy could do its job with 6 Frigates and a couple of supply tenders

Also look at the registration numbers by DS9 they are up in the 20000's and its established they reuse some registration numbers. So your looking at most likely 1000 Miniumun right up to 25000 maximum.

To me its senisble to assume its around 5000-10000 including support ships.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:12 PM   #25
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Re: Things Starfleet needs to fix already on its ships.

Mario de Monti wrote: View Post
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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
Thousands of starships are a fact? How? What we get from the episodes and movies (including the apparent lack of starships near earth) suggests the opposite, a rather small starfleet. And in the 23rd century even more so than in the 24th.
DS9 showed us fleets consisting of hundreds of starships. IIRC, one such fleet was referred to as "Ninth fleet" suggesting a thous or more.

Then again, in "Best of Both Worlds" and "The Emissary", the best Starfleet could do to defend the heart of the Federation was 40 ships.

And in TOS, there was mention of twelve Enterprise-type ships, which were somehow extra special compared to everything else.


...erm... depends on the writer?
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Old June 12 2013, 05:20 PM   #26
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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
Thousands of starships are a fact? How? What we get from the episodes and movies (including the apparent lack of starships near earth) suggests the opposite, a rather small starfleet. And in the 23rd century even more so than in the 24th.
DS9 showed us fleets consisting of hundreds of starships. IIRC, one such fleet was referred to as "Ninth fleet" suggesting a thous or more.

Then again, in "Best of Both Worlds" and "The Emissary", the best Starfleet could do to defend the heart of the Federation was 40 ships.

And in TOS, there was mention of twelve Enterprise-type ships, which were somehow extra special compared to everything else.


...erm... depends on the writer?
Well even though there was 12 Constitution class vessels it does not mean there was only 12 ships in the fleet. It just means only 12 of THAT class. As you said they are considerd speciel so if so not many will be made or they wont be "special".


As for BOBW I think they could only get 40 ships as the borg are so dam fast that they had only days to prepare and with most of the federation fleet on the frontiers they just could not get more than that together at such short notice.

Look at the falklands war. The UK has a pretty big navy but because it wasnt at the falklands at the time because we wernt expecting a attack there we lost the islands until we could mobilise a fleet and send it out to retake them.

Same principle in BOBW they feds were to ignorant to expect a attack dircetly at earth from the borg and just didnt have the ships handy there and then. By first contact though they seemed to have fixed that problem.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:22 PM   #27
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They really do seem to promote all the dickheads. Its a wonder anything gets done.
Isn't this the norm in real life?
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Old June 12 2013, 06:29 PM   #28
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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
If you think about it, Earth is probably better defended than it might seem at first glance. TMP said that V'ger deactivated Earth's defenses, so it might not in that case have been that Earth was undefended, just that Earth's defenses couldn't deal with V'ger's technology. It would have been a similar story with the "Whale Probe."

The Borg cube in FC didn't exactly approach Earth unopposed, the impression I got from the movie was that Starfleet was employing a defense in depth, and that they were fighting the cube over the course of certainly hours and perhaps multiple days. As ships were knocked out, new ones arrived to take their place.

The Breen (Breen?) attack upon Earth during DS9 damaged only one relatively small area and the attacking force was heavily hit themselves. The Breen force could have been attack on their way in, and this is why their attack was so "light."

You jokeing right?

The federation spans I believe afew hundred odd light years do you even understand how vast 1 light year is?
Picard say "over" eight thousand light years (althought that might be at it longest dimention). A good case could be made that Starfleet ships exist in the tens of thousands, problem is many of those would be unsuitable for combat.

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Old June 12 2013, 06:51 PM   #29
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DaleC76 wrote: View Post
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They really do seem to promote all the dickheads. Its a wonder anything gets done.
Isn't this the norm in real life?
Aint that the truth....

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Old June 12 2013, 07:38 PM   #30
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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
Thousands of starships are a fact? How? What we get from the episodes and movies (including the apparent lack of starships near earth) suggests the opposite, a rather small starfleet. And in the 23rd century even more so than in the 24th.
Well in DSN using elements of several fleets, they managed to pull together a fleet of 650 ships. They couldn't strip those fleets are so a fleet numbering into the thousands is hight probable.
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