RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 135,675
Posts: 5,212,723
Members: 24,202
Currently online: 652
Newest member: wendelcarree


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Misc. Star Trek > Future of Trek

Future of Trek Discussion of future Trek projects.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 11 2013, 10:53 AM   #61
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... wrote: View Post
Just that I don't get how some people think. I'm sure there's tons of things you don't get about other people. I don't know why you don't understand that.
You're the one that doesn't understand. I understand it perfectly--it's because not everyone likes the same things. It's as simple as that.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 11:03 AM   #62
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... you're basically arguing... I understand everyone doesn't like the same thing... but they should prefer the franchise to continue in the JJverse. So yes, you're arguing yourself into a contradiction there.

I honestly don't get why some people just seem to think everyone should like what they do as much as they do.

To the topic, the portrayal of Pike was one of my favorite parts of the two new movies. That was something they got right.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 11:30 AM   #63
Belz...
Fleet Captain
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Location: In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
You're the one that doesn't understand. I understand it perfectly--it's because not everyone likes the same things. It's as simple as that.
Ok, then. Let's not drop it. It's not as simple as that: I understand that people don't like the same things that I do.

R. Star wrote: View Post
Belz... you're basically arguing... I understand everyone doesn't like the same thing... but they should prefer the franchise to continue in the JJverse.
No, that's not what I'm saying.

EDIT: Since at least three people are misunderstanding me, I'm going to assume that I'm the one communicating poorly, so I'm going to have one last stab at it before bowing out.

Here's the original post:

Belz... wrote: View Post
alexianyc wrote: View Post
Although it seems to me it would make a lot more sense just to go back to the prime universe, where Pike was captain of the Enterprise for years and Spock served with him.
Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now ?
That I'm asking the question assumes that I know different people have differing opinions. Otherwise there'd be no point in asking unless I want to know why other people agree with me. So I clearly understand that. What I don't understand is why they hold this particular opinion. Answering what you did, CE, is a bit like this:

"Hey did you see the new Trek movie ?"
- Sure.
- And ?
- Hated it.
- Really ? Why ?
- Not everyone likes the same thing.
- Gee, thanks. That totally answers my question.

I was simply trying to understand the underlying reasons behind the poster's opinion. Telling me they have an opinion doesn't answer my question. But, on the odd chance that I didn't know they had an opinion that wasn't mine, your post was totally informative.
__________________
And that's my opinion.

The Onmyouza Theatre: an unofficial international fanclub dedicated to the Japanese heavy metal band Onmyo-Za.

Last edited by Belz...; June 11 2013 at 12:05 PM.
Belz... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 01:04 PM   #64
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... wrote: View Post
C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
You're the one that doesn't understand. I understand it perfectly--it's because not everyone likes the same things. It's as simple as that.
Ok, then. Let's not drop it. It's not as simple as that: I understand that people don't like the same things that I do.
Then you're only making it difficult for yourself.

It is the simplest thing in the world.
That I'm asking the question assumes that I know different people have differing opinions.
Then you already have the answer to your question.
Otherwise there'd be no point in asking unless I want to know why other people agree with me. So I clearly understand that. What I don't understand is why they hold this particular opinion. Answering what you did, CE, is a bit like this:

"Hey did you see the new Trek movie ?"
- Sure.
- And ?
- Hated it.
- Really ? Why ?
- Not everyone likes the same thing.
- Gee, thanks. That totally answers my question.
That's not the question you originally asked.

You asked, and I quote, "Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now?"

To which the most simplest and honest answer is that some people like the old timeline. From that, came that not everyone likes the new movies, because not everyone likes the same thing. Now what's so hard to understand about that?
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."

Last edited by C.E. Evans; June 11 2013 at 02:04 PM.
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 01:55 PM   #65
AviTrek
Fleet Captain
 
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... wrote: View Post
C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
You're the one that doesn't understand. I understand it perfectly--it's because not everyone likes the same things. It's as simple as that.
Ok, then. Let's not drop it. It's not as simple as that: I understand that people don't like the same things that I do.

R. Star wrote: View Post
Belz... you're basically arguing... I understand everyone doesn't like the same thing... but they should prefer the franchise to continue in the JJverse.
No, that's not what I'm saying.

EDIT: Since at least three people are misunderstanding me, I'm going to assume that I'm the one communicating poorly, so I'm going to have one last stab at it before bowing out.

Here's the original post:

Belz... wrote: View Post
alexianyc wrote: View Post
Although it seems to me it would make a lot more sense just to go back to the prime universe, where Pike was captain of the Enterprise for years and Spock served with him.
Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now ?
That I'm asking the question assumes that I know different people have differing opinions. Otherwise there'd be no point in asking unless I want to know why other people agree with me. So I clearly understand that. What I don't understand is why they hold this particular opinion. Answering what you did, CE, is a bit like this:

"Hey did you see the new Trek movie ?"
- Sure.
- And ?
- Hated it.
- Really ? Why ?
- Not everyone likes the same thing.
- Gee, thanks. That totally answers my question.

I was simply trying to understand the underlying reasons behind the poster's opinion. Telling me they have an opinion doesn't answer my question. But, on the odd chance that I didn't know they had an opinion that wasn't mine, your post was totally informative.
"[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]It's about the future, Madam Chancellor. Some people think the future means the end of history. ...But we haven't run out of history just yet. ...Your father called the future ...'the undiscovered country'. ...People can be very frightened of change." - Captain Kirk, TUC

People don't like change. People like the old universe they grew up with. Don't try to over think it. It's as simple as that.
[/SIZE][/FONT]
AviTrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 02:01 PM   #66
newtontomato539
Commander
 
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Sran wrote: View Post
newtontomato539 wrote: View Post
Yes!
No!

--Sran
Yes!
newtontomato539 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 02:46 PM   #67
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

AviTrek wrote: View Post
"It's about the future, Madam Chancellor. Some people think the future means the end of history. ...But we haven't run out of history just yet. ...Your father called the future ...'the undiscovered country'. ...People can be very frightened of change." - Captain Kirk, TUC

People don't like change.
I don't think it's about being frightened of change as quite a few people who like the old timeline would rather see new characters and situations there. In some instances, it's a desire to go forward with Trek rather than backward, so they do embrace change, but perhaps not the kind of change the new movies have brought.
People like the old universe they grew up with. Don't try to over think it. It's as simple as that.
Truly. People like what they like. 'Nuff said.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 03:01 PM   #68
Sran
Fleet Captain
 
Sran's Avatar
 
Location: The Captain's Table
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
I don't think it's about being frightened of change as quite a few people who like the old timeline would rather see new characters and situations there. In some instances, it's a desire to go forward with Trek rather than backward, so they do embrace change, but perhaps not the kind of change the new movies have brought.
This captures my feelings quite nicely. I'm not opposed to change as much as I'm opposed to creative directions that revisit characters and periods with which we're already familiar. I also have a problem with recycling story ideas merely because it's convenient. Anyone who has read recent Trek novels knows that there are many exceptionally bright and creative individuals involved in the writing of new stories. I would like to see like-minded people involved in the television and movie aspects of the franchise, too.

--Sran
__________________
"Many things seem clever to an imbecile." --Captain Thelin th'Valrass, USS Enterprise-- "The Chimes at Midnight"
Sran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 09:05 PM   #69
Belz...
Fleet Captain
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Location: In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
Then you're only making it difficult for yourself.
Possibly.

To which the most simplest and honest answer is that some people like the old timeline.
That's a possible answer, yes. But only one possible answer, which is why I asked so as to get answers.

Again, when someone tells you they don't like a movie, you might like to know why, rather than just the fact they don't like it. Maybe for you, understanding that they feel differently about the movie than you do is enough. For me, I like to know why. It doesn't follow that, because you don't want to know this, that I shouldn't ask.
__________________
And that's my opinion.

The Onmyouza Theatre: an unofficial international fanclub dedicated to the Japanese heavy metal band Onmyo-Za.
Belz... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 09:35 PM   #70
Sran
Fleet Captain
 
Sran's Avatar
 
Location: The Captain's Table
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... wrote: View Post
Again, when someone tells you they don't like a movie, you might like to know why, rather than just the fact they don't like it. Maybe for you, understanding that they feel differently about the movie than you do is enough. For me, I like to know why. It doesn't follow that, because you don't want to know this, that I shouldn't ask.
That is precisely the point C.E. Evans is making. There may not be a why in the traditional sense of the word. Not everything has rhyme or reason. I don't like cauliflower. I don't know why I don't like it. I just don't.

--Sran
__________________
"Many things seem clever to an imbecile." --Captain Thelin th'Valrass, USS Enterprise-- "The Chimes at Midnight"
Sran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 10:07 PM   #71
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Sran wrote: View Post
Belz... wrote: View Post
Again, when someone tells you they don't like a movie, you might like to know why, rather than just the fact they don't like it. Maybe for you, understanding that they feel differently about the movie than you do is enough. For me, I like to know why. It doesn't follow that, because you don't want to know this, that I shouldn't ask.
That is precisely the point C.E. Evans is making. There may not be a why in the traditional sense of the word. Not everything has rhyme or reason. I don't like cauliflower. I don't know why I don't like it. I just don't.
Precisely.

The reason why people might not like something could be--and usually is--as simple as it just isn't what appeals to them. Not everything requires an essay to explain it.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 10:36 PM   #72
Belz...
Fleet Captain
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Location: In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
The reason why people might not like something could be--and usually is--as simple as it just isn't what appeals to them. Not everything requires an essay to explain it.
That's fine, then. I wasn't asking for an essay. I just asked a (perhaps naive) question to get some more insight. I didn't think it would cause all this.
__________________
And that's my opinion.

The Onmyouza Theatre: an unofficial international fanclub dedicated to the Japanese heavy metal band Onmyo-Za.
Belz... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11 2013, 10:38 PM   #73
Sran
Fleet Captain
 
Sran's Avatar
 
Location: The Captain's Table
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... wrote: View Post
That's fine, then. I wasn't asking for an essay. I just asked a (perhaps naive) question to get some more insight. I didn't think it would cause all this.
Except that you asked the same question over and over again even after a suitable explanation was given. What did you think was going to happen?

--Sran
__________________
"Many things seem clever to an imbecile." --Captain Thelin th'Valrass, USS Enterprise-- "The Chimes at Midnight"
Sran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12 2013, 12:17 AM   #74
Belz...
Fleet Captain
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Location: In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Sran wrote: View Post
Except that you asked the same question over and over again even after a suitable explanation was given. What did you think was going to happen?
ONE answer was given by another poster. CE answered a different question, which I didn't ask.
__________________
And that's my opinion.

The Onmyouza Theatre: an unofficial international fanclub dedicated to the Japanese heavy metal band Onmyo-Za.
Belz... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12 2013, 12:20 AM   #75
Sran
Fleet Captain
 
Sran's Avatar
 
Location: The Captain's Table
Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

Belz... wrote: View Post
ONE answer was given by another poster.
Was that answer not satisfactory?

Belz... wrote:
CE answered a different question, which I didn't ask.
Seems to me he answered your question quite nicely.

--Sran
__________________
"Many things seem clever to an imbecile." --Captain Thelin th'Valrass, USS Enterprise-- "The Chimes at Midnight"
Sran is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:16 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.