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Old June 11 2013, 11:25 AM   #76
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I already own a 2 and 3, no question about picking up a 4 when the price comes down a bit. They just wiped the floor with MS, hopefully any newer build of the XBO later down the line will drop some of its less appealing properties...
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Old June 11 2013, 11:51 AM   #77
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Just watching the Sony conference now and there are definitely more that interests me there than in the Xbox one.
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Old June 11 2013, 12:29 PM   #78
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If that's the way you feel, I doubt there's anything I can say to convince you otherwise.
I feel kinda bad about it, but... you're probably right.

I'm making the same tradeoff that PC game players made years ago when they chose Steam: give up some rights you're used to (playing offline, reselling games) in exchange for gaining some benefits (play without the disc, redownload at any time). Personally, I think that Microsoft is being more consumer-friendly with these policies than Valve is.

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Hopefully, the backlash combined with Sony not introducing similar DRM will force MS to back down as that would be the healthiest thing for the industry.
The fact that PC games have been happily swallowing that DRM for the last decade makes me think this is unlikely, at best.
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Old June 11 2013, 12:42 PM   #79
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If that's the way you feel, I doubt there's anything I can say to convince you otherwise.
I feel kinda bad about it, but... you're probably right.

I'm making the same tradeoff that PC game players made years ago when they chose Steam: give up some rights you're used to (playing offline, reselling games) in exchange for gaining some benefits (play without the disc, redownload at any time). Personally, I think that Microsoft is being more consumer-friendly with these policies than Valve is.

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Hopefully, the backlash combined with Sony not introducing similar DRM will force MS to back down as that would be the healthiest thing for the industry.
The fact that PC games have been happily swallowing that DRM for the last decade makes me think this is unlikely, at best.

You're forgetting a few things. 1. Steam allows you to play offline for months, just click "offline mode" so you're not limited to having to reconnect every day. Reselling isn't such a problem when Steam have massive sales so often.

The other thing is Console gaming and PC gaming are different beasts. The culture of both is different too. PC gamers generally know what they're getting in to. Console gamers are just consumers and won't want to be limited in such a way.
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Old June 11 2013, 01:48 PM   #80
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You're forgetting a few things. 1. Steam allows you to play offline for months, just click "offline mode" so you're not limited to having to reconnect every day.
If you're lucky. Offline mode has never worked for me when I've tried it.

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Reselling isn't such a problem when Steam have massive sales so often.
That's a relatively recent phenomenon, though.

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The other thing is Console gaming and PC gaming are different beasts. The culture of both is different too. PC gamers generally know what they're getting in to. Console gamers are just consumers and won't want to be limited in such a way.
For the population as a whole, perhaps. I used to be a PC gamer, and do know what I'm getting into.
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Old June 11 2013, 01:57 PM   #81
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No way in hell I'm getting an xbone. DRM is why I use GOG instead of steam.

Might get a PS4 if there are some decent games available.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:17 PM   #82
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Personally, I think that Microsoft is being more consumer-friendly with these policies than Valve is.
What? Name one policy that's more consumer-friendly than Valve's Steam?
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Old June 11 2013, 02:20 PM   #83
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Personally, I think that Microsoft is being more consumer-friendly with these policies than Valve is.
What? Name one policy that's more consumer-friendly than Valve's Steam?
You can lend games to a friend, people in your family can use your games. That would be what I'd consider to be better than Steam.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:48 PM   #84
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Personally, I think that Microsoft is being more consumer-friendly with these policies than Valve is.
What? Name one policy that's more consumer-friendly than Valve's Steam?
You can lend games to a friend, people in your family can use your games. That would be what I'd consider to be better than Steam.
Those are exactly what I had in mind.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:57 PM   #85
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3 minutes to Nintendo Direct...
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Old June 11 2013, 03:00 PM   #86
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Was thinking it was funny how 7 years ago I didn't even consider the possibility of getting a PS3 and thought the Xbox 360 was fantastic/all I needed. And it's almost completely reversed now.
I feel the same way. I had a PS2 and was planning on getting a PS3, but the 360 was just better value at that time (early 2007) and I "jumped in". It was a bloody good games console with a lot of great exclusives, and I never felt the need to buy a PS3. I think the PS3 had the better exclusives in the latter half of this generation, and I was envious of the lack of a paywall, but I still don't regret switching to the 360. But next gen it will have to be a PS4, and I don't see a compelling reason for me to buy an Xbox One.

What truly amazes me is how MS failed to learn from Sony's mistake with the PS3 launch. They focused too much on multimedia rather than games, they used their device as a trojan horse for their wider corporate goals, it cost more than the primary alternative, and they expected brand loyalty would cross over between console generations. Those are all mistakes that Sony made with the PS3 and they struggled to recover from them. Add in the DRM debacle and MS looks really, really foolish right now.
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Old June 11 2013, 03:10 PM   #87
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Fail Nintendo...

The livestream isn't very "live". It keeps stopping every few seconds. I understand their servers are probably getting hammered, but you'd think they would have realized that and made plans to handle it?

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Okay, it's cleared up now. But still...
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Old June 11 2013, 03:56 PM   #88
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Apparently the North America stream had some major problems they were telling people to use the European stream instead.
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Old June 11 2013, 04:11 PM   #89
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Yeah, I managed to catch pieces of it. I'm watching the whole thing on youtube now.

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Old June 11 2013, 04:13 PM   #90
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Disappointing Nintendo. As an Nintendo fan I loved what I saw, but this will do nothing to expand your market. Where's the Wii Sports U? You can't just appeal to your core Nintendo fanbase if you want to stay afloat this generation.
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