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Old June 7 2013, 11:25 PM   #16
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Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation

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^Yes, but an Empire isn't really a union of species. It's one species subjugating others.
United by force.
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Old June 8 2013, 08:58 AM   #17
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^Yes, but an Empire isn't really a union of species.
Not necessarily, being joined together doesn't automatically imply that it was voluntary on the part of all parties involved.

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Old June 8 2013, 07:53 PM   #18
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I always thought the Xindi were a proto-type Federation of sorts.
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Old June 8 2013, 09:34 PM   #19
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^Yes, but an Empire isn't really a union of species.
Not necessarily, being joined together doesn't automatically imply that it was voluntary on the part of all parties involved.

The Republic in Star Wars is perfect example of both things happening. It started off as a democratic union of planets.

The senators then gave their chancelor so much power he later used it to simply "reorganize" the republic and make it into an empire.

It was supported by tyranny and violence, yet technically it was supposed to be a republic.
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Old June 8 2013, 09:37 PM   #20
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^Yes, but an Empire isn't really a union of species.
Not necessarily, being joined together doesn't automatically imply that it was voluntary on the part of all parties involved.

The Republic in Star Wars is perfect example of both things happening. It started off as a democratic union of planets.

The senators then gave their chancelor so much power he later used it to simply "reorganize" the republic and make it into an empire.

It was supported by tyranny and violence, yet technically it was supposed to be a republic.
And dominated by "humans".
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Old June 10 2013, 12:30 AM   #21
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Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation

The Inter-Stellar Concordium, portrayed in Starfleet Command II (to include the Orion Pirates standalone expansion) is a multi-species union, based on the original version seen in the Star Fleet Universe. (Taldren made a couple of changes to their take on the ISC, such as adding in the Meskeen, an amphibious species that does not exist in ADB's version.)

The SFU has a few other multi-species realms, which have yet to show up in a SFC-esque "hybrid" game setting; such as the WYN Star Cluster (a collection of renegades and exiles from various neighbouring empires), the Męsron Alliance (a multi-species union founded over in the Omega Octant of the galaxy) and the Federal Republic of Aurora (another Omega power, this one established by various "lost colonies" transplanted from Federation, Klingon, and ISC space). There is also the Imperium, a multi-species power out in the Triangulum Galaxy, but it's not yet clear whether that realm is dominated by a single species or not.


So far as Paramount/CBS novels go, I remeber there being a power called the Regnancy of the Carnelian Throne present in The Buried Age. I'm not sure off-hand if they had a primary species "in charge", of if they treated each of their member/slave species equally.
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Old June 10 2013, 12:42 AM   #22
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Are there any? Why does it feel like only the federation thought of that Idea. Romulans and Cardassians would make a good union. At a flip of a coin they may join your side or back stab you.
The Romulans and Cardassians are each highly xenophobic and have difficulty trusting any race other than their own. An alliance between the two powers likely wouldn't last long.

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Eh, given both the Cardassians and Romulans were highly xenophobic, I'd say a union is out of the line. Precisely for the same reason they're so similar at times, they're treacherous and expect treachery as the norm. So trust is out of the question. At best you're going to get collaborations like Tain and the Tal Shiar's incursion.
It also doesn't make sense for powers separated by such a significant interstellar distance to form a collaborative agreement, as each side would have difficulty forming appropriate trade routes and supply lines with its counterpart.

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The First Federation (Balok) and the Nyberrite Alliance (Tekeny Ghemor once mentioned them - he said they were always eager to hire experienced officers for their fleet) tend to spring to mind.
Worf said that because he was considering a position with their organization after leaving Starfleet in "The Way of the Warrior."

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It was Worf who mentioned the Nyberite Alliance actually in Way of the Warrior. He was going to hire on to one of their ships when he quit Starfleet. They were a group I was hoping we'd hear more about.
Beat me to it.

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I always thought the Xindi were a proto-type Federation of sorts.
The Xindi were a single species with several sub-species who had evolved sentience, not an organization composed of races hailing from multiple planets.

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Old June 10 2013, 04:46 AM   #23
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The Romulans and Cardassians are each highly xenophobic
While the Romulans are certainly territorial, I've never seen them as rising to the description of xenophobic, and definately not "highly xenophobic."

It also doesn't make sense for powers separated by such a significant interstellar distance to form a collaborative agreement ...
The Federation seems to make it work.

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Old June 10 2013, 04:52 AM   #24
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Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation

How significant are these distances with Warp Drive? We've seen Sisko and others travel from the "frontier" to Earth in days if not hours.
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Old June 10 2013, 10:01 PM   #25
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So far as Paramount/CBS novels go, I remeber there being a power called the Regnancy of the Carnelian Throne present in The Buried Age. I'm not sure off-hand if they had a primary species "in charge", of if they treated each of their member/slave species equally.
The premise behind the Regnancy of the Carnelian Throne was that it had evolved out of an older kingdom whose monarchy had been effectively but not legally ended; it had originally enslaved other species, but eventually the oppressed races ended up in effective control of the government. The original species of the Regnancy was forgotten, but the interstellar union they had created lived on. The formerly-oppressed peoples, however, kept the nomenclature of "slaves," with the idea being that their true master was no mere person or government, but the ideals of peace and justice. Anyone who did not consider himself a "slave" to peace and justice was someone the Carenlians did not trust.

The depiction of the Regnancy was inspired by a single line from TNG, where Picard describes seeing Natasha Yar for the first time while she's dodging a Carnelian mine.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Re...rnelian_Throne
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Old June 10 2013, 10:07 PM   #26
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I had forgotten that.
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