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Old June 10 2013, 12:11 AM   #16
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Re: Starfleet Academy Series

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the Abrams TOS reboot movies were totally the right way to go to re-energize Trek
Sometimes there's merit in building a franchise that hums along at a lower level, but keeps going, rather than to pander to current fashion trends that are bound to become stale as fashions change and the prime-demographic groups age-out and develop more mature tastes.

JJ Trek will be lucky to get one more film after this, beyond which I think it will have been played-out. JJ will have left the building and it just won't seem fresh and hip anymore.
Star Trek still has a huge brand recognition. That is not going away.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:48 AM   #17
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I like the idea of an Academy series, I just don't know what the hook would be.

There's something along the lines of a Red Squad show, but Star Trek with youngsters is essentially ST09.

I suppose the obvious answer might be to follow the Buffy/Smallville formula, but what would the "hero" do. There isn't much need for a crime fighter in 24C San Francisco, unless he chases after litterers and jaywalkers each week.

I strait up teen drama might be interesting for some people, but I would think most of the target audience has little interest in Dyson's Creek.

As long as they make the nerdy girl who-can-hack-into-anything BFF an Andorian, I'm golden. Allison Scagliotti in blue body paint? Yes please.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:06 AM   #18
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There are lots of Star Trek TNG style shows on the air right now. Just, they're all about detectives or doctors none of them are set in space. People love procedurals with political messages.

Star Trek: ID is nearing $400M worldwide. They'll make sequels.

I would personally enjoy a show set at the academy but I can't imagine anybody who is not actively obsessed with the show tuning into see it. If another Star Trek series is ever going to be a ratings hit, it will need to revive the premise of the original.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:28 AM   #19
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I would personally enjoy a show set at the academy but I can't imagine anybody who is not actively obsessed with the show tuning into see it. If another Star Trek series is ever going to be a ratings hit, it will need to revive the premise of the original.
Nah. If they market it like Smallville, and go after the 14-25 group, one Star Trek badly needs, people will watch.

SV peaked and held at 9m viewers during the second season. People (especially girls/young women) who had previously no interest in Superman, tuned in. Then the writing fell apart and a lot of them stopped watching. But even then, it was able to hold 4-6m for another four years or so. That's better than ENT ever did.

As I've suggested in other threads, the high-school/college group has been the one nuTrek really needed to grab and just hasn't as well as Paramount had hoped. An Academy series on the CW might be what the doctor order.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:41 AM   #20
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People love procedurals with political messages.
And to be fair, quite a few Star Trek episodes were themselves procedurals. There's the problem of the week, figure it out, fix it. Certainly nothing wrong with procedural TV.

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Old June 10 2013, 03:51 AM   #21
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As I've suggested in other threads, the high-school/college group has been the one nuTrek really needed to grab and just hasn't as well as Paramount had hoped. An Academy series on the CW might be what the doctor order.
I disagree. Trek has to position itself to kids who haven't decided what they like yet. They need to rip a page from the Lucas playbook and hook kids well before they hit puberty...



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Old June 10 2013, 03:59 AM   #22
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I've never cared much for the idea of a Starfleet Academy series. It would basically be something like Dawson's Creek or The OC or whatever the current popular teenage centric soap opera is, with the characters wearing Starfleet uniforms.

And besides, there's limited story material. You only have four years, than they'd have to decide do we continue following this cast as they head out on their first assignment or do they bring in a new cast and follow their four years at the Academy?
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Old June 10 2013, 08:15 AM   #23
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Correction, people were sick of ST: Enterprise.

An academy show, assuming that it was written and cast correctly (big assumption) would be great for the youth demographic.
That was my whole point. The only ones who would have produced a Trek academy series was UPN, and it would have had the same frat-boyish mentality ENT had, but worse, because it would actually take place at a college.
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Old June 10 2013, 11:59 AM   #24
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"JirinPanthosa wrote:
People love procedurals with political messages."

As longas it's not to right or left wing.
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Old June 10 2013, 12:35 PM   #25
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Correction, people were sick of ST: Enterprise.

An academy show, assuming that it was written and cast correctly (big assumption) would be great for the youth demographic.
That was my whole point. The only ones who would have produced a Trek academy series was UPN, and it would have had the same frat-boyish mentality ENT had, but worse, because it would actually take place at a college.
Not necessarily would this Starfleet academy series have a frat-boyish mentality, neither does it have to look like a soap opera kind of thing, to be a top class show I think having some of the writers of some of the great ST novels on board and a good strong cast, the series set after the dominion war, san Francisco's Starfleet academy destroyed and setting up a perfect setting for the new one on Luna colony, does not have to be a teen angst, of kind of thing
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Old June 10 2013, 12:39 PM   #26
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An academy series would be yawn-a-riffic. Where are the cool alien planets? The spaceships? The ladies (of legal age)?

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Old June 10 2013, 12:46 PM   #27
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lets say it's set partly at the academy, partly on away assignments, we will see other starships, alien planets and such stuff, will still be action packed, its during the aftermath of the dominion war.
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Old June 10 2013, 01:51 PM   #28
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The ladies (of legal age)?
That one shouldn't be a problem, since presumably most cadets are 18 when they begin the Academy. Granted, there is precedent for younger, like Wesley Crusher or Abramsverse Chekov. But even if there are characters younger than 18, there's a 90% chance the actor/actress would be over 18.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:13 PM   #29
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Where are the cool alien planets? The spaceships? The ladies (of legal age)?
With transwarp and quantum slip stream technology, further reaches of space can be explored, they can center episodes like that around tag-alongs with other vessels or maybe a new scout class vessel used for college use or class away missions. As for ladies, you won't just have college girls but maybe a sexy teacher, nurse, or milf ('Mother Inclined to Largen the Fleet' of course).
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Old June 10 2013, 03:31 PM   #30
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I've never understood the appeal of an Academy-centered series. The primary activity of cadets would be learning, as in listening to lectures, participating in seminars, and doing homework. I'll admit that some of their learning would be done in the holodeck, running simulations of battles and first contacts, but there would be no tension in these simulations. Sure, in the show we always know the main characters will live to the end of the episode, but a simulation of a scenario doesn't even have the artificial tension of "how will they get out of this situation"! They're students; the worst thing that can happen to them is they'll get a bad grade.

I know that Nog, in his sophomore year, was sent to DS9 for "field studies", which would be an opportunity to introduce real peril for the cadet characters. But if their field studies are the only time they're going to be out in space and really at risk, why bother depicting their time at the Academy? And since the cadets will need senior officers to learn from during their field studies, why follow the stories of the cadets and not the senior officers (whose lives would almost certainly be far more interesting)?
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