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Old June 10 2013, 03:58 AM   #16
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It's like Star Wars Episode IV. I've been assured from numerous sources that "Episode IV" was not in the opening scrawl during the original cinema release, but I cannot remember it ever being missing. In fact quite the opposite, I seem to remember wondering as a kid why it would be Episode IV!
Even people at LucasFilm have said that the movie never had "Episode IV" in its initial release. The DVD release from a few years ago had a second disc that included the original pre-Special Edition versions of the original trilogy and that version didn't have "Episode IV". I think I remember reading they added it to one of the re-releases either before or after The Empire Strikes Back.

Speaking of Episode IV, another thing that many people claim to remember seeing in the theatres is the scene between Luke and Biggs on Tatooine. They swear they saw it and it was just removed for home video. Truth is, it was never in any release, but some books that came out around the time had pictures of the scene. I have a children's storybook that contains pictures from the movie and that scene is in there along with a picture of it. I remember wondering why that scene wasn't in the movie.
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Old June 10 2013, 12:28 PM   #17
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It's like Star Wars Episode IV. I've been assured from numerous sources that "Episode IV" was not in the opening scrawl during the original cinema release, but I cannot remember it ever being missing. In fact quite the opposite, I seem to remember wondering as a kid why it would be Episode IV!
Even people at LucasFilm have said that the movie never had "Episode IV" in its initial release. The DVD release from a few years ago had a second disc that included the original pre-Special Edition versions of the original trilogy and that version didn't have "Episode IV". I think I remember reading they added it to one of the re-releases either before or after The Empire Strikes Back.

Speaking of Episode IV, another thing that many people claim to remember seeing in the theatres is the scene between Luke and Biggs on Tatooine. They swear they saw it and it was just removed for home video. Truth is, it was never in any release, but some books that came out around the time had pictures of the scene. I have a children's storybook that contains pictures from the movie and that scene is in there along with a picture of it. I remember wondering why that scene wasn't in the movie.
And that's my point about the betrayal of memory. In my mind, I know for a fact that "Episode IV" was in the opening scrawl when I saw it in 1977.

I now know that "fact" is completely wrong!

I do remember a friend of mine swore that he saw a scene in Empire Strikes Back, where the rebel troops on Hoth looked up into the sky to see the Star Destroyers entering low orbit. To my knowledge, no such scene was even scripted, let alone filmed.
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Old June 10 2013, 12:35 PM   #18
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And to complete the trilogy, people also remember seeing Luke jumping up and hanging on the railings when trying to escape the Rancor pit in ROTJ. A Gammorean Guard stands on his fingers and he falls back down.
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Old June 10 2013, 12:43 PM   #19
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Hey, I remember that railings scene, now you've said it. I also know it doesn't exist, as I've watched RotJ a whole host of times. I think at some point it became a "Special Edition change" to me.
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Old June 10 2013, 04:22 PM   #20
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^ For years I was convinced that I saw a print of ROTJ that started off on ENDOR (I was only 6 at the time).

Years later someone pointed out that there had been a trailer for "Caravan of Courage" and it all made sense

Oh, there were no additional scenes in the UK version of First Contact either.

Load of Bollocks.
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Old June 10 2013, 04:26 PM   #21
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I don't remember those scenes but, although it might not feel it, it was a long time ago.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:19 AM   #22
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I can beat all you guys--

For years, I was sure "Over the Top" was a "Rocky" sequel.

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Old June 15 2013, 12:10 AM   #23
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^ For years I was convinced that I saw a print of ROTJ that started off on ENDOR (I was only 6 at the time).

Years later someone pointed out that there had been a trailer for "Caravan of Courage" and it all made sense
Ah, that would be very understandable.

Memories can be so real - and so false! I once got flown down to Melbourne to appear as a guest on a live "tonight show" for TV. I went straight from work to the airport, was put up a luxury hotel, taken out to dinner, did the show, hung with the celebrities in their dressing rooms, went with the other celebrity guests to a restaurant for midnight dessert, then back to the hotel, and had a wake-up call booked for about 5am the next morning. I arrived back in Sydney the next morning to start work, as if nothing had happened. The entire trip seemed like an impossible dream, and I even had studio pics taken where the host was holding up a rare collectible book that I'd never seen before. (I didn't actually see those pics for about a year, but I knew they existed.)

I had tried to imprint that 20-year old book cover on my brain, so I'd be able to hunt for it in second hand bookshops. It had no credited author and a misleading title, so it was going to be very hard to find even in a library. That night in the hotel, though, I must have relived all my experiences of that whirlwind trip in my dreams. I was on such a high! I'm not even sure I slept. I just closed my eyes and... hallucinated. With a huge grin on my face.

Eventually, a few months later, I found the book,but was absolutely convinced it was a second book, because the cover was so different. This one had a photo cover, but I new I was looking for one that had drawn images. About a year later, I was finally given a sheet of tiny b/w contact prints of the negatives taken on that big night. And there was the tiny book cover in the pics: looking absolutely nothing like the one in my brain. But exactly like the one I'd found. Mystery solved.

Oh, there were no additional scenes in the UK version of First Contact either.

Load of Bollocks.
I'm sure you're correct.

The Trek story I've never been able to confirm: A friend from Sydney was in Perth the night that ST III premiered in Australia. When she got back to Sydney, she went with us to her second viewing (it was my third). Suddenly she was asking where the little Vulcan girl was. My friend remains convinced that she saw a scene with the credited child actress, Katherine Blum, telling Spock to "Live Long and Prosper" as he was taken to the Fal Tor Pan ceremony! That scene has never popped up in extended editions, nor Youtube clips. I've not even seen a production still (athough the scene may well have been drawn for the comic adaptation?)

How likely is it that the scene was in one stray reel, shown in Perth six months after the US premiere? Or did she see the comic in a shop before the premiere?

My other Trek friend who lived in Perth at the time was no help re confirmation because he'd flown to Sydney to attend the gala Sydney premiere with us!
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Old June 16 2013, 09:34 PM   #24
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^ For years I was convinced that I saw a print of ROTJ that started off on ENDOR (I was only 6 at the time).

Years later someone pointed out that there had been a trailer for "Caravan of Courage" and it all made sense
Ah, that would be very understandable.

Memories can be so real - and so false! I once got flown down to Melbourne to appear as a guest on a live "tonight show" for TV. I went straight from work to the airport, was put up a luxury hotel, taken out to dinner, did the show, hung with the celebrities in their dressing rooms, went with the other celebrity guests to a restaurant for midnight dessert, then back to the hotel, and had a wake-up call booked for about 5am the next morning. I arrived back in Sydney the next morning to start work, as if nothing had happened. The entire trip seemed like an impossible dream, and I even had studio pics taken where the host was holding up a rare collectible book that I'd never seen before. (I didn't actually see those pics for about a year, but I knew they existed.)

I had tried to imprint that 20-year old book cover on my brain, so I'd be able to hunt for it in second hand bookshops. It had no credited author and a misleading title, so it was going to be very hard to find even in a library. That night in the hotel, though, I must have relived all my experiences of that whirlwind trip in my dreams. I was on such a high! I'm not even sure I slept. I just closed my eyes and... hallucinated. With a huge grin on my face.

Eventually, a few months later, I found the book,but was absolutely convinced it was a second book, because the cover was so different. This one had a photo cover, but I new I was looking for one that had drawn images. About a year later, I was finally given a sheet of tiny b/w contact prints of the negatives taken on that big night. And there was the tiny book cover in the pics: looking absolutely nothing like the one in my brain. But exactly like the one I'd found. Mystery solved.

Oh, there were no additional scenes in the UK version of First Contact either.

Load of Bollocks.
I'm sure you're correct.

The Trek story I've never been able to confirm: A friend from Sydney was in Perth the night that ST III premiered in Australia. When she got back to Sydney, she went with us to her second viewing (it was my third). Suddenly she was asking where the little Vulcan girl was. My friend remains convinced that she saw a scene with the credited child actress, Katherine Blum, telling Spock to "Live Long and Prosper" as he was taken to the Fal Tor Pan ceremony! That scene has never popped up in extended editions, nor Youtube clips. I've not even seen a production still (athough the scene may well have been drawn for the comic adaptation?)

How likely is it that the scene was in one stray reel, shown in Perth six months after the US premiere? Or did she see the comic in a shop before the premiere?

My other Trek friend who lived in Perth at the time was no help re confirmation because he'd flown to Sydney to attend the gala Sydney premiere with us!
I'm still to this day convinced that the saucer crash scene in Generations had minor differences in the cinema.

I remember the saucer stopping, a beat, then everyone flying into the viewscreen. I don't know why I remember it this way but I remember thinking it was odd at the time to edit the scene in such a fashion.

In all likelihood I am wrong, but a small amount of my brain is convinced that either I saw a different print or the projector skipped...
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Old June 17 2013, 08:02 AM   #25
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don't know why I remember it this way but I remember thinking it was odd at the time to edit the scene in such a fashion.

In all likelihood I am wrong, but a small amount of my brain is convinced that either I saw a different print or the projector skipped...
Perhaps it was a repair to a damaged reel?
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Old June 17 2013, 09:37 AM   #26
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And to complete the trilogy, people also remember seeing Luke jumping up and hanging on the railings when trying to escape the Rancor pit in ROTJ. A Gammorean Guard stands on his fingers and he falls back down.
You mean this scene?
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Old June 17 2013, 12:42 PM   #27
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don't know why I remember it this way but I remember thinking it was odd at the time to edit the scene in such a fashion.

In all likelihood I am wrong, but a small amount of my brain is convinced that either I saw a different print or the projector skipped...
Perhaps it was a repair to a damaged reel?
Its altogether possible.

Brain failure is more likely though.
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Old June 22 2013, 04:39 PM   #28
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I was really confused when I got the video tape of Generations, because it didn't have the scene with Soran torturing Geordi by stopping his heart. Of course, I'd confused it with the scene in the novelisation, which I'd read to death between the film coming out and the release of the video. There was another scene too - as the Nexus hits Veridian III, the Enterprise crew see the wave hitting them too. Which would have been crazy, because Picard could have just summoned 1000 Enterprise crew members from the Nexus to apprehend Soran. Ah, plot holes.
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Old June 22 2013, 11:33 PM   #29
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Yeah they cut out the torture scene, but left in Soran's "His heart just wasn't in it" line. Not sure why they cut it, if they thought it was too violent, maybe they could have just edited it?
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And to complete the trilogy, people also remember seeing Luke jumping up and hanging on the railings when trying to escape the Rancor pit in ROTJ. A Gammorean Guard stands on his fingers and he falls back down.
You mean this scene?
Yes.
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