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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 10 2013, 01:57 AM   #16
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Re: Trek II ~ Khan's Wife

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Khan's genetic enhancements resulted in his uncontrollable ambition and thirst for power, but there's no evidence that they prevented him from showing compassion to another being or from falling in love with another person.
Things like compassion and love are incompatible with ambition and power.

He seemed genuinely impressed by her courage in agreeing to stay with him on Ceti Alpha V. It's not difficult to believe that he learned to love her during the intervening years.
Probably took awhile...
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Old June 10 2013, 02:04 AM   #17
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Things like compassion and love are incompatible with ambition and power.
Not necessarily. It's a reasonable assumption that most Starfleet officers are somewhat ambitious (they would have to be to qualify for admission to the academy), and higher-ranking officers certainly yield a great deal of power. Yet, Starfleet officers are also among the most compassionate individuals featured in Star Trek. Khan's genetic enhancements make him something of an outlier, but no one is completely without positive emotions.

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Probably took awhile...
They had plenty of time on their hands.

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Old June 10 2013, 02:09 AM   #18
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Re: Trek II ~ Khan's Wife

A piece of set dressing was prepared for the Ceti Alpha V shack: a painted portrait depicting Khan, Marla and their young son. It linked back to Marla's hobby in TOS. Ultimately, the portrait was not shown on screen.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:11 AM   #19
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A piece of set dressing was prepared for the Ceti Alpha V shack: a painted portrait depicting Khan, Marla and their young son. It linked back to Marla's hobby in TOS. Ultimately, the portrait was not shown on screen.
Well for Pete's sake, let's see it!
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Old June 10 2013, 02:19 AM   #20
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They might have used Rhue's illness in story. I'm trying to decide if a Mcgivers crippled from trying to remove the eel along with a dead son would have been even more powerful and dramatic motivation for Khan. Her death in the final battle would certainly have moved Khan to set off the Genesis Device instead of finding a way to fight on.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:38 AM   #21
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They might have used Rhue's illness in story. I'm trying to decide if a Mcgivers crippled from trying to remove the eel along with a dead son would have been even more powerful and dramatic motivation for Khan. Her death in the final battle would certainly have moved Khan to set off the Genesis Device instead of finding a way to fight on.
An interesting idea, although it comes perilously close to exploitation. Perhaps Bennett and Meyer didn't feel comfortable casting Rhue under the circumstances. It's also possible that she was too ill to participate, so her inclusion would not have been possible regardless of the circumstances.

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Old June 10 2013, 02:58 AM   #22
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They could've used someone else. No one would notice.
Like they didn't notice Khan's multiracial colleagues turning young, blond and Aryan? Dark-haired offsider Joaquin for blond Joachim?

Or like no one noticed the switch in Saaviks (ST III) and Cochranes ("First Contact")?

Okay. No one who matters would notice.

It's also important to point out that it's never been specifically stated on screen that Khan's "beloved wife" even was McGivers. That line was cut from the film when they couldn't use Rhue, anyway.

Either way, since were likely talking about what would have been a flashback, people would either, not even know who she is, not be able to tell the difference, or not really care.

The number of people this it would've mattered to is way too insignificant to even worry about.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:09 AM   #23
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It's also important to point out that it's never been specifically stated on screen that Khan's "beloved wife" even was McGivers. That line was cut from the film when they couldn't use Rhue, anyway.
That's correct; however, it's hard to imagine who else it could have been. There were other women of child-bearing age in Khan's party, but none were shown to have a romantic interest in him.

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Old June 10 2013, 03:14 AM   #24
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The "beloved wife" line wasn't cut. It was in the film.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:17 AM   #25
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No the part where Khan says something like "McGivers = beloved wife" was cut.

"Beloved wife" by itself is completely nondescript.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:19 AM   #26
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t's hard to imagine who else it could have been. There were other women of child-bearing age in Khan's party, but none were shown to have a romantic interest in him.
He seemed friendly enough with Kati.

In any event, it was a short show. It's not at all hard to imagine that there were women among Khan's followers that would have had a romantic interest in him, simply because it wasn't shown in the few minutes we saw a couple of them.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:21 AM   #27
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No the part where Khan says something like "McGivers = beloved wife" was cut.

"Beloved wife" by itself is completely nondescript.
Correct. The novelization mentions her by name, but the line in the film is more ambiguous.

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Old June 10 2013, 03:25 AM   #28
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He seemed friendly enough with Kati.

In any event, it was a short show. It's not at all hard to imagine that there were women among Khan's followers that would have had a romantic interest in him, simply because it wasn't shown in the few minutes we saw a couple of them.
That's a good point, Admiral. And as Khan and his followers believed themselves superior to everyone else, it's possible that they disregarded traditional marriage practices. Khan may have had multiple wives or consorts during his exile.

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Perhaps Bennett and Meyer didn't feel comfortable casting Rhue under the circumstances. It's also possible that she was too ill to participate, so her inclusion would not have been possible regardless of the circumstances.
IIRC, she was playing the role of Daphne DiMera in "Days of Our Lives" around that time, both before and after her need for a wheelchair.
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Perhaps Bennett and Meyer didn't feel comfortable casting Rhue under the circumstances. It's also possible that she was too ill to participate, so her inclusion would not have been possible regardless of the circumstances.
IIRC, she was playing the role of Daphne DiMera in "Days of Our Lives" around that time, both before and after her need for a wheelchair.
Interesting. I didn't realize she'd starred in Days of Our Lives.

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