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Old June 9 2013, 02:20 AM   #16
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Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

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It would be away to do a new show while also tying it to the success of the new movie. I could see them doing 3 different things with a Pike series.

1 His adventures as the captain of the Enterprise.
In principle, I'd find it interesting but... he was captain of the Enterprise for about 10 minutes, then was captured by Nero, released and relieved, and was captain of the Enterprise again when Kirk was demoted but never commanded her again.

What adventures would you show ?
Particularly considering the plot of STID. But I suppose you could have Pike as captain of another ship - the Yorktown? - before his 10 minutes as captain of the Enterprise.

Although it seems to me it would make a lot more sense just to go back to the prime universe, where Pike was captain of the Enterprise for years and Spock served with him.
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Old June 9 2013, 03:08 AM   #17
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Re: How about a captain Pike(bruce Greenwood) series?

I was going to say 'It'll be horrible, but I'd watch every episode' but I was thinking of Bruce Campbell. It would be a step down for Greenwood to do a series.
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Old June 9 2013, 11:07 AM   #18
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Although it seems to me it would make a lot more sense just to go back to the prime universe, where Pike was captain of the Enterprise for years and Spock served with him.
Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now ?
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Old June 9 2013, 01:13 PM   #19
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Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now ?
I'm not going to accept novelty just for the sake of novelty.

Probably the only good thing in JJ Trek was Pike. If any fixture in JJ Trek symbolized old-Trek, it was him.
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Old June 9 2013, 03:02 PM   #20
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I'm not going to accept novelty just for the sake of novelty.
Who talked about accepting novelty ? Did you even read my post ?

The point is that they have rebooted. Why not take it for what it is and enjoy it, rather than imagine what it would be like to go back to the good old days ?
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Old June 9 2013, 04:37 PM   #21
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Although it seems to me it would make a lot more sense just to go back to the prime universe, where Pike was captain of the Enterprise for years and Spock served with him.
Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now ?
The OP asked about a series starring Greenwood Pike.

And I frankly don't see how that would work - and neither did you - given that he was captain of the Enterprise for 10 minutes, and his fate in the reboot timeline. I can see how it would work in the prime universe, however.

Not that I have any interest in seeing it. Greenwood did fine with the role, but his Pike's function was as Kirk's mentor, and now that's done. Plus, I think the lead in any new series should be younger than pushing 60.
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Old June 9 2013, 08:48 PM   #22
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The OP asked about a series starring Greenwood Pike.
I know. That's my point really: Greenwood is the New Trek Pike. But then, somehow, some people want the old Pike. Old Pike's gone, people.

Greenwood did fine with the role, but his Pike's function was as Kirk's mentor, and now that's done. Plus, I think the lead in any new series should be younger than pushing 60.
Also interesting: Jeff Hunter was born in 26 and thus was 38 when The Cage was made. Now, that episode was supposedly in 2254. ST09 is in 2258, 4 years later, yet Pike is played by an actor who was 53 at the time.
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Old June 9 2013, 11:20 PM   #23
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1 His adventures as the captain of the Enterprise. Maybe you could even get Quinto as Spock but even if you can't do that you don't have to worry since your talking about a new universe and thus it won't be a canon violation if you don't have Spock there.
Pike was captain of the Enterprise for only a short time in the nuTrek universe. Having him star as the lead character in a series that showcases Enterprise missions doesn't make sense. Pike serving as the commander of another vessel is possible, but why devote an entire series to yet another prequel?

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2 See what he did after stepping down as Captain. Perhaps he doesn't end up in a wheel chair in this timeline. Might be fun to see him in charge of Starfleet Academy or you could have him retire from Starfleet and do a Firefly type of show or maybe have him part of a Starfleet Inteligence type of show.
What timeline are you referring to? Is this hypothetical series to take place in a third reality, or is it a reboot of the primary universe Roddenberry created? I don't understand your point.

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3 Have him explore Talos with the girl he meets in "The Cage". Perhaps there are other humans and aliens on this planet as well. It would be sort of a "Lost" type of show with a Trek twist. This wierd alien planet filled with exotic aliens and sophisitcated technolgy not to mention the ability to create illusions.
Based on the scenes showcased in "The Cage," there doesn't appear to be much of Talos IV to explore, as the surface of the planet was devastated by war. Are you suggesting that Pike explore the other planets within the Talos system?

Don't misunderstand me. I don't mean to be critical of your idea, as it is somewhat intriguing, but I don't know that there's much a series featuring Christopher Pike has to offer to TV viewers.

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Old June 9 2013, 11:22 PM   #24
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Although it seems to me it would make a lot more sense just to go back to the prime universe, where Pike was captain of the Enterprise for years and Spock served with him.
Why are people so intent on returning to the old timeline ? We've been there for 40 years. Can't we move on, now ?
Not everyone likes the same thing.
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Old June 9 2013, 11:33 PM   #25
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Not everyone likes the same thing.
I don't have a problem revisiting the primary universe, but any new Star Trek series should allow for the opportunity to learn about new characters, races, or places. Using familiar characters in anything but guest starring roles doesn't make sense, as there's only so much material that can be devoted to characters fans already know, even a character like Pike, who appeared in a small number of episodes. There's also the added problem of introducing information and story elements that contradict the events of other series, as Enterprise came perilously close to doing. It would seem prudent to avoid making similar mistakes in any future spin-off.

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Old June 9 2013, 11:36 PM   #26
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there won't be a new series any time soon. If ever.
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Old June 9 2013, 11:41 PM   #27
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I realise that, but I don't understand why some people are dead-set against the idea of starting from a clean slate, and won't give the New Trek a fair chance.
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Old June 9 2013, 11:54 PM   #28
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there won't be a new series any time soon. If ever.
I think you're right. If there were a possibility of a new series, it stands to reason we'd have heard something about by now. I remember hearing about Enterprise almost two years before the series was on the air.

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I realise that, but I don't understand why some people are dead-set against the idea of starting from a clean slate, and won't give the New Trek a fair chance.
It seems to me that nuTrek is getting its chance on the big screen. Why does it need a TV show in addition to two movies? I don't mean to demean the more recent films, but they're never going to win a popularity contest with series and films featuring the primary universe. Trying to force the new universe on fans by including it in a television series isn't likely to have a good outcome.

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Old June 10 2013, 12:21 AM   #29
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I realise that, but I don't understand why some people are dead-set against the idea of starting from a clean slate, and won't give the New Trek a fair chance.
Because not everyone likes the same thing--that's Trekdom 101.

There are people who like [INSERT SERIES OR MOVIE HERE], but don't like [INSERT SERIES OR MOVIE HERE]. It's been that way since TMP (if not TAS), and it's not going to stop with the Abrams movies, nor with whatever comes after Abrams.
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I think this series won't fly because they wouldn't want the Enterprise on TV commanded by someone other than Kirk. Also, it would have to be a prequel to the prequel, which would get even more convoluted.
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However, I'll still hold out hope for a Faran Tahir prequel series. They have the sets built, after all.
Are you aware that this is quite contradictory?

If "they" don't allow a show with anyone but Kirk as Captain of the Enterprise, then they certainly won't allow a show with any ship but the Enterprise. And a Robau/Kelvin show would also be a prequel to the prequel.
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