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Old June 8 2013, 04:30 PM   #16
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

FWIW, I'd argue that the Krenim timeship is far more destructive than anything red matter-related.
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Old June 8 2013, 08:45 PM   #17
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It is the one I'd hate to run up against. It does worse than just kill you.
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Old June 9 2013, 01:53 AM   #18
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

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FWIW, I'd argue that the Krenim timeship is far more destructive than anything red matter-related.
I kinda disagree with you there, the Krenim ship doesn't really destroy as apposed to erase. The planets hit by the Krenim time ship beam were fine, good as new really. I guess it's "putting an end to existence" vs "erasing from existence". Red matter is definitely more devistating, no one really knows someone ceased to exist (unless you were in Janeway's situation).
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Old June 9 2013, 05:16 AM   #19
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

I'd argue the erasing of a civilization to the point that nobody is even aware it once existed is far more destructive than simply destroying the civilization. I'd go so far as to apply the term "violation" to it, as you're not only directly affecting the target but causing potentially massive amounts of collateral damage.

Hell, in this day and age you erase one human being who's reached the age of 40 or so and you're probably impacting the memories of at least a few hundred other people.

If I was faced with being murdered in an alley or never having existed to begin with, I'd choose the former every time.
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Old June 9 2013, 12:47 PM   #20
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I'd go so far as to apply the term "violation" to it, as you're not only directly affecting the target but causing potentially massive amounts of collateral damage.
The Krenim time ship is much more effective then the red matter ship, but not destructive. There is no collateral damage when the Krenim weapon is done.

If you have a building and destroy it, you'd have rubble. If that same building was never built, then that fast food place down the street would never have been made, but the material used to make both buildings are still around unused. I'm arguing semantics here but when I think of the word destructive, I think of the word irreparable.
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Old June 9 2013, 03:13 PM   #21
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

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What's the Vulcans doing with Red Matter anyway?
Logical science stuff.
The Vulcans were originally going to use it on the Andorian homeworld to settle some old scores

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Old June 9 2013, 03:20 PM   #22
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

It began as an experiment to create the universe's most powerful gobstopper.
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I'm sure you will stop gobbing after that gobstopper.
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It is the one I'd hate to run up against. It does worse than just kill you.
It hurts you. And it wishes to go on... hurting you.

It will leave you as you left it. Marooned for all eternity at the center of an episode of Star Trek: Voyager.

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It hurts you. And it wishes to go on... hurting you.

It will leave you as you left it. Marooned for all eternity at the center of an episode of Star Trek: Voyager.

Buried alive... buried alive...
HHEEERRKKIMMEEEERRR!!! i mean KKHHHHHAAAANNNNN!!!!
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