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Old June 8 2013, 12:29 AM   #556
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Re: Joss Whedon's S.H.I.E.L.D to ABC!

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SLJ reiterates his desire to be involved with AoS, saying it would "legitimaize" the show, but apparently there are issues with such happening.

It would be cool if this were all mis-direction and he had a cameo in the pilot.
My layman's understanding would surmise that his 9-deal theatrical contract is an apple.

Doing something on TV, would be an orange contract. So broker a separate deal for TV.

Clearly it must be more complicated than that though.
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Old June 8 2013, 03:43 AM   #557
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SLJ reiterates his desire to be involved with AoS, saying it would "legitimaize" the show, but apparently there are issues with such happening.

It would be cool if this were all mis-direction and he had a cameo in the pilot.
You give him that on-screen cameo in the pilot, and the next thing you know, he's successfully pulled a "Jed Bartlet" on everyone...which could be a good thing, considering how it worked out with Martin Sheen.
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Old June 8 2013, 06:23 AM   #558
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More recently I've been getting the impression that some companies are now paying attention to how many people record or stream, but some are still a little slow to wake up and smell the 21st century.
People who record the show (and skip the ads) don't count, and shouldn't count. Streaming, though (since that has ads which fund the network) ought to be incorporated nowadays. I'm curious as to whether they do or not...
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Old June 8 2013, 06:36 AM   #559
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^ Ha! I used to record shows on my DVR, let them play through once with the commercials while I was doing something else, and then watched the shows sans commercials afterwards just so I could support my shows (Dollhouse and Sarah Conner to be precise).
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Old June 8 2013, 01:10 PM   #560
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Heck, it's not like I pay attention to the commercials when I'm watching live TV anyway. I either mute the sound, change the channel, or go over to the computer or out to the kitchen while an ad is on. I generally see all advertising as intrusive and annoying and try to avoid it as much as possible. Honestly, I don't understand why advertisers think shoving things aggressively in our faces will make us be more interested in them. It just alienates me and drives me away.
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Old June 8 2013, 01:28 PM   #561
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More recently I've been getting the impression that some companies are now paying attention to how many people record or stream, but some are still a little slow to wake up and smell the 21st century.
People who record the show (and skip the ads) don't count, and shouldn't count. Streaming, though (since that has ads which fund the network) ought to be incorporated nowadays. I'm curious as to whether they do or not...
From what I've read, I get the impression that advertisers are very much aware they people are actively avoiding adverts, which is why there's been a steady rise in in-show advertising (those annoying little pop-ups about other shows) and more significantly, product placement. Sure it's always been there, but I've seen it pushed much more aggressiveness in American shows over the last 4-5 years.

With that in mind, I'd say people who record by whatever means should count, I'm just not sure if they *are* counted.

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Heck, it's not like I pay attention to the commercials when I'm watching live TV anyway. I either mute the sound, change the channel, or go over to the computer or out to the kitchen while an ad is on. I generally see all advertising as intrusive and annoying and try to avoid it as much as possible. Honestly, I don't understand why advertisers think shoving things aggressively in our faces will make us be more interested in them. It just alienates me and drives me away.
Desperation? As a culture we've been exposed to this kind of advertising for coming on three or four generations now. Longer if you count the pre-TV radio days. As a result we've become more and more conditioned to ignore it. The only way for new brands to get any kind of purchase is to grab attention any way they can. Even if it's annoying, from their perspective at least it's made an impact and that can mean life or death for some products.
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Old June 8 2013, 10:44 PM   #562
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SLJ reiterates his desire to be involved with AoS, saying it would "legitimaize" the show, but apparently there are issues with such happening.

It would be cool if this were all mis-direction and he had a cameo in the pilot.
My layman's understanding would surmise that his 9-deal theatrical contract is an apple.

Doing something on TV, would be an orange contract. So broker a separate deal for TV.

Clearly it must be more complicated than that though.
Yeah, I don't get it.

Why would his contract prevent him from appearing in tie-in material set in the same universe?
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Old June 9 2013, 12:07 AM   #563
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SLJ reiterates his desire to be involved with AoS, saying it would "legitimaize" the show, but apparently there are issues with such happening.

It would be cool if this were all mis-direction and he had a cameo in the pilot.
My layman's understanding would surmise that his 9-deal theatrical contract is an apple.

Doing something on TV, would be an orange contract. So broker a separate deal for TV.

Clearly it must be more complicated than that though.
Yeah, I don't get it.

Why would his contract prevent him from appearing in tie-in material set in the same universe?
Because TV and movies usually require different contracts. And the rights/license for a TV series are separate from the movies. Even the animated TV rights can be separate from live action and film.
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Old June 9 2013, 12:19 AM   #564
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I'm young a big NCIS fan, so I am rather frustrated with where this is airing. I'm definitely watching both, one live and one streaming online, I'm just not sure which will be which yet.
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Old June 9 2013, 01:52 AM   #565
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Because TV and movies usually require different contracts.
I mean, I get that he would need a new contract for the TV series, but why would his contract for the films expressly forbid participation in such a series?
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Old June 9 2013, 06:03 AM   #566
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It doesn't seem to be stopping Clark Gregg.
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Old June 9 2013, 02:47 PM   #567
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It doesn't seem to be stopping Clark Gregg.
Maybe Gregg didn't have any more MCU movies under contract, while Jackson does - it's possible that they wouldn't be apples and oranges, contractually. In that case, Marvel may not want to use Jackson at his movie rates for what amounts to a cameo.
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Old June 9 2013, 02:57 PM   #568
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It doesn't seem to be stopping Clark Gregg.
They killed off his character in the movies.
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Old June 9 2013, 03:36 PM   #569
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They killed off his character in the movies.
That has no bearing on contractual commitments. Of course, the studio wouldn't necessarily have to pick up the contractual option to use him -- the contract is more for their benefit, to ensure an actor's availability if they do want to use that actor. But the contract wouldn't become void just because of the character's fictitious death in a movie, since characters can always be resurrected or at least appear in flashbacks.


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Maybe Gregg didn't have any more MCU movies under contract, while Jackson does - it's possible that they wouldn't be apples and oranges, contractually. In that case, Marvel may not want to use Jackson at his movie rates for what amounts to a cameo.
I don't think a TV appearance would fall under the movie appearance contract's terms. It would be a separate negotiation. Although a star of Jackson's caliber would be expensive for a TV show. Except that given his level of fandom, he might be willing to, say, do an uncredited appearance and get paid scale.

As for Gregg, consider that it was Marvel's decision to have him killed off in this movie. I have a suspicion that it was their plan all along to spin Coulson off into a TV series and that they killed him off in the movies to enable him to branch off into a parallel, mostly separate track.
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Old June 9 2013, 04:50 PM   #570
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Yeah, I don't think the holdup has anything to do with his movie contract limiting him so much as the need to negotiate a new contract. That's always delicate.
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