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Old June 3 2013, 07:49 PM   #211
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Re: Star Trek Federation: The First 150 Years

Real live authors arguing in a fan forum about each other's work. Now I've seen everything.
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Old June 3 2013, 09:11 PM   #212
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I thought we were discussing, not arguing.
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Old June 3 2013, 09:48 PM   #213
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Discussing, fighting to the death, it's such a fine line...

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Old June 3 2013, 10:12 PM   #214
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I thought we were discussing, not arguing.
That explains quiet a bit.

One mans discussion is another mans argument.
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Old June 3 2013, 11:51 PM   #215
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I thought we were discussing, not arguing.
I didn't say you were arguing with each other. It looked more like two authors arguing in defense of their own/each other's works against those who would nitpick.

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Old June 8 2013, 07:31 PM   #216
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^The thing that's odd to me about the head of licensing saying he considered your book canonical, David, is that I haven't been instructed to keep my Rise of the Federation novels consistent with it. Instead I'm continuing the version of post-ENT continuity that was established in the preceding four novels in the series and that interprets a number of things differently than you did. As a rule, we're not allowed to contradict canon, and if something in the book continuity is overwritten by later canon, then later books are expected to conform to the new information. (E.g. The Lost Era: The Sundered posited a scorpionlike appearance for the Tholians, but books that came out after "In a Mirror, Darkly" used the Tholian appearance seen there.) So if the licensing folks thought your book was canonical, they would presumably have asked me to be consistent with it, but they haven't.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's a long history of Trek tie-ins offering alternative versions of the same event, like the Pocket and DC versions of Kirk's first mission on the Enterprise that came out within a year of each other -- and the five other incompatible versions of same that have come out from Pocket, DC, and IDW in the years since.)
I guess he said it more from a sales point of view for the book itself ("This is canon! Buy it!") rather than a point of view that lets make all the licensed products fall in line with it - and really, at the end of the day, when you get down to the nitty gritty details of Star Trek, the individual fan decides what canon is, since there's NO WAY to logically resolve the inconsistencies in even the filmed adventures (to wit, Kirk and spock have VERY CLEARLY never even heard of the idea of an invisible ship in "Balance of Terror," yet Archer encounters one on his first day on the job - and that's just one example). I did my best to write my book so that it didn't contradict anything that would bug me as a fan, but I made decisions (as I'm sure you did in your work, which I will now read) that people might have an argument with since it isn't the decision they would make.
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Old June 8 2013, 08:54 PM   #217
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I just feel great that we have authors posting here.

I don't mind the continuity arguements. Heck, you can have Tholians have different looks. Spiders, floating crystals. the TNG comics had them as bipeds.

Crystal power..
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Old June 8 2013, 09:12 PM   #218
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I guess he said it more from a sales point of view for the book itself ("This is canon! Buy it!") rather than a point of view that lets make all the licensed products fall in line with it - and really, at the end of the day, when you get down to the nitty gritty details of Star Trek, the individual fan decides what canon is, since there's NO WAY to logically resolve the inconsistencies in even the filmed adventures (to wit, Kirk and spock have VERY CLEARLY never even heard of the idea of an invisible ship in "Balance of Terror," yet Archer encounters one on his first day on the job - and that's just one example). I did my best to write my book so that it didn't contradict anything that would bug me as a fan, but I made decisions (as I'm sure you did in your work, which I will now read) that people might have an argument with since it isn't the decision they would make.
I hope you like my version. I haven't had the opportunity to get my hands on yours yet -- it's kinda pricey -- but I'm curious to see how you've approached it.

And since you actually worked on the show, it's fair to say that your book is closer to being canonical than mine... although canon isn't horseshoes or hand grenades, so closeness doesn't really count. Maybe that's what the sales people meant -- that it's the work of someone who contributed to the canon.


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I don't mind the continuity arguements. Heck, you can have Tholians have different looks. Spiders, floating crystals. the TNG comics had them as bipeds.
Oh, yeah, that. I always thought that was the least imaginative take on Tholian bodies I'd ever seen, and was kind of silly-looking. Although the Worlds of the Federation version where they're just floating rhomboidal crystals with, I guess, telekinetic powers was pretty hard to swallow.

The novel The Lost Years: Recovery had an interesting take: that the Tholians were actually more fleshy and organic and that the "face" we saw in the episode was just a helmet.
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Old June 9 2013, 12:31 AM   #219
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I hope you like my version. I haven't had the opportunity to get my hands on yours yet -- it's kinda pricey -- but I'm curious to see how you've approached it.
They're realeasing a cheaper version in the fall without the fancy stand.
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Old June 9 2013, 02:30 AM   #220
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^ But unfortunately not in a Kindle version.
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Old June 10 2013, 05:25 AM   #221
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Damn. I was really hopping they'd do a digital version, since they did do ones for the SW books that were done in the same style.
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Old June 10 2013, 11:38 PM   #222
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They're realeasing a cheaper version in the fall without the fancy stand.
Good to know. The version with the stand seems to have not gotten to Chapters/Indigo/Coles up here. At all. Since they've made themselves The Big Retail Chain in Canada, that makes things...difficult for people wanting a look.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:20 AM   #223
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They're realeasing a cheaper version in the fall without the fancy stand.
Good to know. The version with the stand seems to have not gotten to Chapters/Indigo/Coles up here. At all. Since they've made themselves The Big Retail Chain in Canada, that makes things...difficult for people wanting a look.
The one with the stand is an Amazon exclusive. At least it is in North America, some people in other areas of the world claim to have seen it in their book stores.
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Old June 11 2013, 08:50 AM   #224
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The one with the stand is an Amazon exclusive. At least it is in North America, some people in other areas of the world claim to have seen it in their book stores.
Correct. I had mine ordered with Amazon before Christmas, but it arrived in Sydney, Australia, bookshops before Amazon US had even started shipping so I was able to cancel my online order.

I also saw it in UK bookshops in March/April.
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Old June 23 2013, 03:20 AM   #225
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I think the more important unresolved question is for both David and Christopher: will I be able to have your respective books touch each other, or would they annihilate each other and possibly destroy the universe?!
Only one way to find out...
I tried, Christopher, and when I get out of the hospital, I'll let you know my thoughts on your book!

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