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Old June 7 2013, 10:58 AM   #1036
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Plus after the release of the new movie, and the nonstop discussion about that, it's hard not to be a bit burnt out on Trek altogether.
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Like others, I'm making my way through the season at a rather slow pace. I love the show and what they have done with the blu-ray, but I guess I'm just a little burnt-out Trek-wise.
Nice to see that some people agree with what I was trying to say here and basically got poo-poo'd about!...

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Old June 7 2013, 05:11 PM   #1037
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Folks Season 3 is down to $58 at Amazon right now
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Old June 8 2013, 02:35 AM   #1038
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Perhaps it was me being young when we had the first "oversaturation" of star trek, but looking back, I thought that was Star Trek's golden age. We were getting movies, a quality series that was about to end, and a series that was getting really good in it's second season. I loved Star Trek during that time and thought it was just cool to be a Star Trek fan at 11 years old.

As for now, it's not me being burnt out on Trek, but more I've been doing other things. I've been busy and I'm not going to sit down and watch Star Trek all night long. Also, remember when Season 3 came out, people were going through it at a very quick pace and I even mentioned as a Sports fan there was Baseball and Hockey that I would have rather watched.

I'm going slow on star trek not because of burn out, but because I just feel like it. TNG will always be there, and Season 4 doesn't come out until July 30th anyway.

I also think one thing I have noticed is it seems like there isn't much anticipation for Season 4. Maybe it's the lack of news, or lack of Fathom saying anything about a theater event, but after the movie and now that we're getting out of that period, things are calming down.

Speaking of which, Aatrek and FrontierTrek, any Season 4 news, updates of special features, anything to whet the appatite for the Season 4 release? I'm starting to think we're not having a theater event, which will be a shame. However, by now we would have had more developments as to what to expect on the special features. I think this season will feature the arts department (Since season 3 featured the writing). I really hope one of the features in the future is a reunion of the composers doing the music for the series. It's stuff like that which I find fascinating, and basically, I'm just thirsting for Season 4 news at this point.
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Old June 8 2013, 07:55 AM   #1039
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Watched The High Ground and Yesterday's Enterprise tonight. High Ground still continues to be an interesting episode that is as relevant today as it was back in 1989, but I was really looking forward to seeing Yesterday's Enterprise in HD. It looks beautiful, especially the final battle scene. I only skimmed the commentary tracks, but I really liked what Carson said about this being a circular effort to redo Tasha's death. One of these days I'm going to rewatch the episode with the entire Carson commentary track because based on what I heard, he was very elegant with the types of things he was going for. As for the other track, they actually do bring up my most asked question about this episode, but it was during the Riker death scene. I think they talk about it more during the Garrett scene. By the way, my question regarding this episode, what's up with the rocks? I understand ship debris, or something falling, but the ship was not built out of Rocks.
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Old June 8 2013, 12:43 PM   #1040
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Speaking of which, Aatrek and FrontierTrek, any Season 4 news, updates of special features, anything to whet the appatite for the Season 4 release? I'm starting to think we're not having a theater event, which will be a shame. However, by now we would have had more developments as to what to expect on the special features. I think this season will feature the arts department (Since season 3 featured the writing). I really hope one of the features in the future is a reunion of the composers doing the music for the series. It's stuff like that which I find fascinating, and basically, I'm just thirsting for Season 4 news at this point.
I intended to put out a few Season 4 articles last month but my schedule has been a bit crammed.

I put out the full breakdown of bonus features from Season 4 and Redemption about 3 weeks ago here (it does indeed feature an art department reunion): http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/tng...press-release/

The 1080p S4 trailer is available to watch here (through youtube - I haven't added the uncompressed version yet): http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/04/tng...ailer-arrives/

There's a great Redemption trailer in the works, CBS should be putting that out soon
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Old June 9 2013, 01:26 AM   #1041
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By the way, my question regarding this episode, what's up with the rocks? I understand ship debris, or something falling, but the ship was not built out of Rocks.
And more generally in Star Trek, why the sparks whenever the ship gets knocked by something? Do they not have fuses or surge protectors in the 24th century?
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Old June 9 2013, 01:39 AM   #1042
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I also think one thing I have noticed is it seems like there isn't much anticipation for Season 4. Maybe it's the lack of news, or lack of Fathom saying anything about a theater event, but after the movie and now that we're getting out of that period, things are calming down.
I think it's natural, after the excitement of the novelty of the first season in HD, then season two with Q Who, Elementary Dear Data and the extended Measure of a Man, and of course Yesterday's Enterprise and BoBW in the third season, there are plenty of exciting hooks.

By the time you get to the fourth season, there isn't so much of a "hook" any more. It's almost routine by now to see TNG in HD. Season four also arguably lacks a big "event" episode. It's a great season, but I wouldn't say there's a massive draw. Redemption isn't half as effective as BoBW for example. It's probably my favourite season, with episodes like The Drumhead, Remember Me, Family, Brothers, Future Imperfect, Reunion, The Wounded, The Mind's Eye and Clues... but I don't know, it just lacks the absolute highs of season 3.

The excitement will gear up again when DS9 is announced. With that series I think there will be more continued interest, because with each season the show got bigger and bigger in terms of visual effects and scope. There are potentially a lot of things that will need to be newly remade with CGI too.
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Old June 9 2013, 09:07 AM   #1043
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A Matter of Perspective is just preposterous on so many levels. Whether it's the investigator letting Riker's own people use their Holodeck technology to defend him, or the ridiculous portrayal of a sleazy and violent Riker, or the scientist's crazy plan to kill Riker which backfires and somehow blows up the entire station, or the way the Holodeck magically duplicates the entire event at the end, exonerating Riker.....

The idea of a Rashoman story is definitely a cool one, but for it to work the alternate versions of the story have to at least be somewhat plausible. Plus the whole murder plot is contrived and not terribly interesting in the first place.
There are things I like about A Matter of Perspective but I have to agree with you. They call this episode A Matter of Perspective, but it seemed like all the Perspectives are widely different. For example, you had Rikers testimony where he was trying to be professional, and then you had Apgar's wife testimony saying that Riker was trying to Rape her. Let's not also forget that Rape is a pretty high charge which seemed to be dropped mid episode as well. Despite that though, I did like what they did with the holodeck for this episode. It was a creative idea that could have used more "sprucing" up.

Through this rewatch, I'm looking for episodes that really stand out and show CBS-D's mastery. Of course all the episodes (Minus Season 2) are looking awesome, but which episodes go that extra mile and blow me away. The first one was DataLore and the Crystalline Entity. I think I found my second episode, Deja Q.

This episode is much more beautiful to look at now. Whether it was the atmosphere dive of the Enterprise, or probably my favorite shot so far, meeting the Calamarane for the first time. It's shot's like that which makes this purchase worth it. That was gorgeous and so clear. It almost makes me wonder what a HD version of the Voyager episode "The Cloud" would look like since it kind of has the same idea. Also, many people consider this episode a comedy and there are some great moments, but why I love this episode is really the stuff between Data and Q. I think this was the episode that turned Q from just a villan to something greater, kind of the teacher testing the crew and kind of helping them along the way. Q in Tapestry and All Good Things was not the same Q as what we got from the first season. This episode showed that transition, other than maybe Qpid, but I liked Qpid.
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Old June 10 2013, 05:19 PM   #1044
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Wow, was the music in Tin Man always this big and over the top? I don't remember it being nearly this distracting before. There's a quiet, important conversation between Picard and Tam where the music is blasting at 110% for some bizarre reason.

And as exciting as the action music is, it strangely doesn't sound remotely like TNG at all either.

Just very weird. Watching this episode, I can almost understand Berman's decision to tone down the music later on.
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Old June 10 2013, 06:42 PM   #1045
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Just very weird. Watching this episode, I can almost understand Berman's decision to tone down the music later on.
"Tone down" is a type of direction you give someone. Firing someone is completely different.
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Old June 10 2013, 07:33 PM   #1046
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Just very weird. Watching this episode, I can almost understand Berman's decision to tone down the music later on.
"Tone down" is a type of direction you give someone. Firing someone is completely different.
Regardless, they still had composers who were capable of producing big, bombastic music. It's not like Ron Jones was the only one.

And in fact the music in this ep was from Chattaway.
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I love the music in Tin Man especially and all other music before (and after) the sonic wallpaper era.
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Old June 11 2013, 12:20 AM   #1048
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Perhaps it was me being young when we had the first "oversaturation" of star trek, but looking back, I thought that was Star Trek's golden age. We were getting movies, a quality series that was about to end, and a series that was getting really good in it's second season. I loved Star Trek during that time and thought it was just cool to be a Star Trek fan at 11 years old.

As for now, it's not me being burnt out on Trek, but more I've been doing other things. I've been busy and I'm not going to sit down and watch Star Trek all night long. Also, remember when Season 3 came out, people were going through it at a very quick pace and I even mentioned as a Sports fan there was Baseball and Hockey that I would have rather watched.
I became burned out on Trek, I think, right after "Generations" when VOYAGER came out. "Generations" was a big yawner, I was underwhelmed with the first few episodes of VOYAGER and also getting tired of DS9. Maybe the last straw for me, what made me feel totally alienated from Trek, was the ridiculously presumptuous "Academy Award"-style ceremonial extravaganza for all things Trek which aired on UPN, likening Trek to the greatest thing since the passion of Christ or the enlightenment of the Buddha. It was just so silly. I felt embarrassed to be a fan at that point.

The older I've gotten, the more I've come to feel Star Trek was really never as good as I thought it was, not even the original. When I was a kid I thought it was the greatest thing science fiction ever produced. Then I got older and actually read some good science fiction, and Star Trek even at its best pales in comparison. I still watch the original or TNG once in a while for nostalgia, and I still like to check out these threads for news of the remastering projects, but Star Trek means very little to me now.It was something from my childhood I grew out of, but I guess it'll always be a part of me. Otherwise I wouldn't be here.

I also think one thing I have noticed is it seems like there isn't much anticipation for Season 4. Maybe it's the lack of news, or lack of Fathom saying anything about a theater event, but after the movie and now that we're getting out of that period, things are calming down.
The spotlight is still on the new movie. Don't worry, season four of TNG will get its day in the sun.
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Old June 11 2013, 12:35 AM   #1049
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I don't think I've ever been truly burnt out on Trek. At least not like I was burnt out on Star Wars after all those years and years of non-stop hype over the prequels.

Even during the VOY and ENT years, I was usually still able to enjoy at least some aspect of the franchise.
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I don't think I've ever been truly burnt out on Trek. At least not like I was burnt out on Star Wars after all those years and years of non-stop hype over the prequels.

Even during the VOY and ENT years, I was usually still able to enjoy at least some aspect of the franchise.
Ditto.

SW prequels and it's mediocre spin offs that have been foisted upon the public since the prequels finished in 2005 made me quite tired of the SW universe. The Clone Wars cartoons were become a grind by season 3, etc. etc.
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