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View Poll Results: Rate The Folded World.
Outstanding 3 7.89%
Above Average 9 23.68%
Average 9 23.68%
Below Average 6 15.79%
Poor 11 28.95%
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Old May 26 2013, 08:14 PM   #46
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This was the first book in a very long time that I couldn't finish. Nice cover though.
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Old May 27 2013, 02:39 AM   #47
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This was the first book in a very long time that I couldn't finish. Nice cover though.
If you assume the name characters got out just fine then that's how it ended anyway.
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Old May 27 2013, 04:35 AM   #48
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All I can say is I have read better fan fic than this. Money and time I will never get back.
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Old May 27 2013, 05:18 AM   #49
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The use of away team in a TOS novel implies a problem with the writing or editing. I did not notice that term used in TOS or its movie spinoffs. It should be a matter of keeping straight which era book you are writing.
If I were proofreading the manuscript, I would have noticed the anachronistic use of "away team" and notified the author immediately. Nitpicking is my job!
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Old June 6 2013, 07:04 PM   #50
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For all its already-noted faults (and I might add that Kirk coming from IOWA, not IDAHO [an error of over 1000 miles], is canonical ["I'm from Iowa; I just work in outer space," from The Voyage Home], and Winnona Kirk being a farmer, not a career Starfleet officer is generally agreed in non-canonical sources, and strongly suggested in canon), it went rather quickly, mostly on the train ride home from my Spring vacation.
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Old June 6 2013, 08:42 PM   #51
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For all its already-noted faults (and I might add that Kirk coming from IOWA, not IDAHO [an error of over 1000 miles], is canonical ["I'm from Iowa; I just work in outer space," from The Voyage Home], and Winnona Kirk being a farmer, not a career Starfleet officer is generally agreed in non-canonical sources, and strongly suggested in canon), it went rather quickly, mostly on the train ride home from my Spring vacation.
Just a quick note, the Idaho reference comes from Star Trek: Generations, in which Kirk mentions that he spent a lot of time on his "uncle's farm in Idaho." He doesn't say that he "comes from" Idaho at any point.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:11 PM   #52
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Hmm. Must have completely forgotten that whole reference to Idaho in Generations. I still can't place it.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:17 PM   #53
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I've always wondered if the "uncle's farm in Idaho" line was a misspeak/script typo for "Iowa." But since it was his uncle's farm, not his parents', that makes it justifiable.
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Old June 7 2013, 04:08 AM   #54
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hbquikcomjamesl wrote: View Post
For all its already-noted faults (and I might add that Kirk coming from IOWA, not IDAHO [an error of over 1000 miles], is canonical ["I'm from Iowa; I just work in outer space," from The Voyage Home], and Winnona Kirk being a farmer, not a career Starfleet officer is generally agreed in non-canonical sources, and strongly suggested in canon), it went rather quickly, mostly on the train ride home from my Spring vacation.
Have we ever gotten a definitive answer about whether or not she was a crew member on the Kelvin? I'll admit, I had kind assumed she was, but I guess she could have just been visiting the ship when it was attacked.
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Old June 7 2013, 05:55 AM   #55
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Winona Kirk was in Starfleet (explaining why she was on Kelvin)
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Old June 7 2013, 05:42 PM   #56
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1. Writers' comments are not canon.
2. Being in Starfleet does not mean one is career Starfleet. My father served a hitch in the Marines, long before I was born, but at the end of the one tour, he took his honorable discharge (as a full corporal) and returned to civilian life.
3. Winona Kirk, in either timeline, left Starfleet to raise Sam and Jim. In the Novelverse, "Geordie" Kirk took an assignment as chief of security on Starbase 2, and exchanged letters with Jim; in the Abramsverse, he died about the same time Jim was born, and Winona may or may not have remarried.
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Old June 7 2013, 05:53 PM   #57
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In the Novelverse, "Geordie" Kirk took an assignment as chief of security on Starbase 2, and exchanged letters with Jim...
In the '80s novelverse, which is a distinct continuity from the current one. Final Frontier was based on the timeline of the Spaceflight Chronology which put TOS in the first decade of the 23rd century rather than the 2260s. So it doesn't fit into the Trek universe as we know it today, for that and many other reasons. Such as that George is a redhead in the novel and brown-haired in the movie.

So we really don't know a thing about George Kirk in the modern continuity except what the movie established.
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Old June 7 2013, 06:47 PM   #58
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My review is up: http://trekbook.blogspot.com/2013/01...ded-world.html
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Old June 7 2013, 11:36 PM   #59
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Christopher: We do know, strictly from the most canonical source possible (a first-season TOS episode) that in the prime timeline, Kirk took command of the Enterprise over a decade after the ship visited Talos IV under Pike's command. We also know, from a source that has regained limited canon status (a TAS episode) that Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise, again in the prime timeline. So in the prime timeline, it was hardly fresh out of the shipyard when Kirk took command. And we also know that in the Abramsverse, James T. Kirk grows up near Riverside, Iowa, and the Abramsverse Enterprise is also built (as in fully assembled) there (as opposed to the prime Enterprise, which was assembled in orbit from modules built in San Francisco). And while it's been a few years since I last read Carey's "Captain April" novels, I remember them well, and don't recall any major conflicts with present canon or novel continuity.

And Rob, while I, too, found the story compelling, I did also find it a minefield of continuity goofs and out-of-character actions and utterances that were enough to knock it down, for me, from "Outstanding" to "Above Average."
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And Rob, while I, too, found the story compelling, I did also find it a minefield of continuity goofs and out-of-character actions and utterances that were enough to knock it down, for me, from "Outstanding" to "Above Average."
Other than the away team vs. landing/boarding party reference which somewhat tweaked my sensibilities at first, nothing else really stood out.

What continuity goofs or out-of-carachter actions/utterances?

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