RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,164
Posts: 5,402,945
Members: 24,753
Currently online: 342
Newest member: kev404

TrekToday headlines

Retro Review: Time’s Orphan
By: Michelle on Aug 30

September-October Trek Conventions And Appearances
By: T'Bonz on Aug 29

Lee Passes
By: T'Bonz on Aug 29

Trek Merchandise Sale
By: T'Bonz on Aug 28

Star Trek #39 Villain Revealed
By: T'Bonz on Aug 28

Trek Big Bang Figures
By: T'Bonz on Aug 28

Star Trek Seekers Cover Art
By: T'Bonz on Aug 27

Fan Film Axanar Kickstarter Success
By: T'Bonz on Aug 27

Two New Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26

Trek Actor Wins Emmy
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 6 2013, 11:34 PM   #16
CorporalCaptain
Vice Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Fuck it. I like The Black Hole. It's wonky, but I don't care. Just like Tron.
__________________
John
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2013, 11:36 PM   #17
Mysterion
Rear Admiral
 
Mysterion's Avatar
 
Location: SB-31, Daran V
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Tron, while maybe not a classic either, was infinitely a better movie than The Black Hole.
__________________
USS Galileo Galilei, NCC-8888
Prima Inter Pares
Mysterion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2013, 11:55 PM   #18
Mr. Adventure
Admiral
 
Mr. Adventure's Avatar
 
Location: Mr. Adventure
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Is anyone involved in this really interested and excited or are they just doing it because it's a dormant property?

I've come to like The Black Hole more and more and the years go on. I like the 70's atmosphere which seems best at conveying a sense of foreboding wonder.
Mr. Adventure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2013, 11:58 PM   #19
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: The Black Hole Remake

The Lensman wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post
It's from 1970s DISNEY.
And this film was pretty bold for Disney at the time. Not the usual kiddie fare we were used to.
People have largely forgotten it now, but TBH made quite a stir at the time of its release because it was Disney's first PG-rated film, their first attempt to move into more adult-oriented filmmaking. A lot of people were startled at the level of violence and adult themes it contained. Eventually, Disney realized that the reputation of the Disney name was keeping people from seeing their adult-oriented films for what they were, so they created the Touchstone imprint for them. So it might be better to call TBH a prototype Touchstone film than a "Disney film" per se.


Didn't care for BOB (which probably had more to do with Slim Pickens taking me out of the moment), nor did I care for the whole "black hole leads to heaven and hell" business. I want to say I read the novelization had a sort of different ending, but it's been about thirty years since I read it.
The novelization's ending was different, yes. IIRC, they all died physically but their minds survived because they were linked to Yvette Mimieux's psychic character.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2013, 11:58 PM   #20
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

^ And it could be argued that the heaven and hell scenes actually were only being imagined by Kate McCrae in the first place, since right before we see them, there's a closeup on her eye (and as we see Dr. Reinhardt in hell, we hear Kate say "Murderer!").

As for the remake: Obviously they're going to have to change the name, because we now know that it's not possible to fall into a black hole and live. Wormhole, maybe?

That being said, I find it hilarious - and almost certainly planned - that an actor named Maximilan Schell plays a character who, at the end, ends up...in Maximilian's shell.
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:02 AM   #21
solariabsg25
Captain
 
solariabsg25's Avatar
 
Location: Bristol, UK
View solariabsg25's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

The Lensman wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Relayer1 wrote: View Post
I am rather surprised at the love shown for this - I saw the film when it came out and disliked it - especially my 'pet hate', cute and/or funny robots (also children and animals). I wrote it off as another of the plentiful dodgy cash in sci-fi films that came out in the wake of Star Wars.

My memories of it are that it was pretty much cringeworthy...
It's from 1970s DISNEY.
And this film was pretty bold for Disney at the time. Not the usual kiddie fare we were used to.

However I think this is probably one of those movies that you have an attachment to if you saw it as a kid.....which I didn't.

It was up against TMP and as such I had zero interest in seeing Black Hole. I did see it years later when I had grown up and there are elements that I do like about it. I have a fondness for "finding ships that mysteriously disappeared long ago" type stuff, and I liked some of the interiors as well as the reveal about the crew.

Didn't care for BOB (which probably had more to do with Slim Pickens taking me out of the moment), nor did I care for the whole "black hole leads to heaven and hell" business. I want to say I read the novelization had a sort of different ending, but it's been about thirty years since I read it.
Yeah the Alan Dean Foster novelisation had a more metaphysical ending, where Holland, Pizer, Kate and VINCENT were combined into this galactic consciousness. Don't know how that could be filmed though!

The heaven/hell thing I just saw as Kate's mind "making up" something it just couldn't comprehend. A bit like the Q continuum in Deathwish, it doesn't literally look like that.

Of course then there's Doctor Reinhart!

__________________
"A perfect organism, unclouded by remorse, or human illusions of morality." - Ash, Alien
solariabsg25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:06 AM   #22
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

I have heard it said that Frank McCrae (Kate's father) was used for the A.I. in Maximilian. Meaning: After Frank unsuccessfully led a revolt against Reinhardt, Frank was 'punished' by having his mind trapped within the robot. And the angel who flies through 'Heaven' at the end is Frank's soul escaping the confines of the 'bot. Is this in the novelization? There's nothing in the film about it...
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:09 AM   #23
Mr. Adventure
Admiral
 
Mr. Adventure's Avatar
 
Location: Mr. Adventure
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
That being said, I find it hilarious - and almost certainly planned - that an actor named Maximilan Schell plays a character who, at the end, ends up...in Maximilian's shell.
Not to mention Maximilian's Hell.
Mr. Adventure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:12 AM   #24
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

^ That too!

Wonder who they'd get to play Dr. Reinhardt in the remake. Mr. Cumberbatch?
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:20 AM   #25
solariabsg25
Captain
 
solariabsg25's Avatar
 
Location: Bristol, UK
View solariabsg25's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
I have heard it said that Frank McCrae (Kate's father) was used for the A.I. in Maximilian. Meaning: After Frank unsuccessfully led a revolt against Reinhardt, Frank was 'punished' by having his mind trapped within the robot. And the angel who flies through 'Heaven' at the end is Frank's soul escaping the confines of the 'bot. Is this in the novelization? There's nothing in the film about it...
No mention of the full details of Frank McCrae's fate in the movie or novel, apart from the fact he was killed leading the mutiny. And the heaven/hell sequence doesn't exist in the novel, so would be no mention of a soul escaping.

Having McCrae corrupted to be Maximilian's AI in the remake would add a bit more horror to the situation, I like that idea.
__________________
"A perfect organism, unclouded by remorse, or human illusions of morality." - Ash, Alien
solariabsg25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:22 AM   #26
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

What I want to know is, how did Reinhardt manage to overpower the entire crew? I'm guessing the Cygnus had dozens of crew, hundreds even - more so than even S.T.A.R. and his troops could have managed against. The crew should have been able to beat Reinhardt on sheer numbers.
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 12:33 AM   #27
solariabsg25
Captain
 
solariabsg25's Avatar
 
Location: Bristol, UK
View solariabsg25's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

We don't know how many sentry robots may have been destroyed during the mutiny, it could have been a close run thing. Old BOB was the last survivor of his kind on the Cygnus, itseems to me he and his type would have also been on the side of the crew. Unless of course, Reinhart suspected the jig was up, and did some reprogramming of them to support him, from BOB's and VINCENTS combat prowess, having them on his side would have been a considerable asset.

The existence of the humanoids make me suspect that maybe Reinhart used some kind of disabling gas? A flashback to the mutiny would have been nice, but really would not have served the plot much.
__________________
"A perfect organism, unclouded by remorse, or human illusions of morality." - Ash, Alien
solariabsg25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 01:05 AM   #28
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Reinhardt flooding the ship with knockout gas would be the only way I could think of that he could take down the whole crew. If he relied on S.T.A.R. and the sentry robots, that wouldn't work - the crew could get ahold of weapons and fire back. And there's no evidence of a sustained firefight on the Cygnus.
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 01:42 AM   #29
solariabsg25
Captain
 
solariabsg25's Avatar
 
Location: Bristol, UK
View solariabsg25's Twitter Profile
Re: The Black Hole Remake

Had been many years since the mutiny, so I guess any damage may have been repaired.

His story about repairing meteor damage appeared to be plausible to the Palomino crew - I think Holland distrusted the man rather than his cover story. So if they believe disabling damage may be repaired in that amount of time, fixing laser holes in the walls should be a doddle.

For all we know though, the reason that Reinhart was so insistant on no "unescorted excursions" is there may have been some areas of the ship that still showed such evidence. Perhaps some crew managed to seal themselves off, and Reinhart just let them starve to death, or decompressed the area. If it was an area not vital to the operation of the ship or his experiments, I doubt he'd have given a second thought to regaining access to it or fixing it up.
__________________
"A perfect organism, unclouded by remorse, or human illusions of morality." - Ash, Alien
solariabsg25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 7 2013, 04:40 AM   #30
Enterprise is Great
Rear Admiral
 
Enterprise is Great's Avatar
 
Re: The Black Hole Remake

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
DarthTom wrote: View Post
A remake of this film - done well - really has some potential
Remakes always have potential. But I know not a single one that was ever done well.
John Carpenter's The Thing was an excellent remake.
__________________
JJverse Star Trek...ROCKED on May 17, 2013 and beyond!
Enterprise is Great is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:04 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.