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Old June 6 2013, 09:49 PM   #1
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The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan?

What's the Vulcans doing with Red Matter anyway?
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Old June 6 2013, 10:06 PM   #2
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What's the Vulcans doing with Red Matter anyway?
Just because something can be used as a weapon doesn't mean that was its original intent.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:09 PM   #3
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Red Matter was not originally designed to be used as a weapon, but a way to save a dying star's planets. If given at the dosage and time, it would have caused a blackhole, but not necessarily sucked Romulus & Remus in as well. Yes, the Romulans still would have lost their homeworld due to their sun turning into a blackhole. But they would have had the chance to escape. At least that is how it should have worked theoretically.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:10 PM   #4
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Red Matter was not originally designed to be used as a weapon, but a way to save a dying star's planets. If given at the dosage and time, it would have caused a blackhole, but not necessarily sucked Romulus & Remus in as well. Yes, the Romulans still would have lost their homeworld due to their sun turning into a blackhole. But they would have had the chance to escape. At least that is how it should have worked theoretically.
I'm pretty sure Hobus wasn't the home star of Romulus and Remus.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:13 PM   #5
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

The atomic bomb was originally theorized as a source of energy. I guess red matter could be in the same boat.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:17 PM   #6
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Red Matter was not originally designed to be used as a weapon, but a way to save a dying star's planets. If given at the dosage and time, it would have caused a blackhole, but not necessarily sucked Romulus & Remus in as well. Yes, the Romulans still would have lost their homeworld due to their sun turning into a blackhole. But they would have had the chance to escape. At least that is how it should have worked theoretically.
I'm pretty sure Hobus wasn't the home star of Romulus and Remus.
I never said Hobus. But no matter, he arrived to late to save the day, thus Nero's planet was lost.

Although his plan succeeded, and the supernova was eliminated, Spock was too late to save Romulus, which was destroyed. - Red Matter Memory Alpha
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Old June 6 2013, 10:23 PM   #7
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What's the Vulcans doing with Red Matter anyway?
In the novel DTI: Watching the Clock, Red Matter was being investigated by the Vulcans 2382 as a new and more efficient means of producing artificial gravity.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:23 PM   #8
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

Also if Spock and those Romulans were sent back in time, doesn't that mean there's an alternate reality were there is a blackhole shooting out an exploding star? I don't think Kirk's parents made it out of that one.
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Also if Spock and those Romulans were sent back in time, doesn't that mean there's an alternate reality were there is a blackhole shooting out an exploding star? I don't think Kirk's parents made it out of that one.
No, the supernova can be seen in the background as the Narada attacks the Kelvin and as the escape shuttles flee the battle.
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It has always seemed strange to me that Spock had so much red matter on his ship. When Nero destroys Vulcan, he uses just a tiny drop that looks like about .01% of the total amount.

Originally, I thought that was because Spock needed enough to collapse a star, while Nero was just using it to collapse planets. But when we see the flashback from Spock's mind meld, it shows that he only used a tiny drop too.

It doesn't seem wise to carry around that much of such an incredibly dangerous material.
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Old June 7 2013, 03:11 AM   #11
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It could be that Red Matter is more stable in large amounts, and small drops are inherently unstable. If that were the case, then carrying huge amounts of it would be safer than carrying only small amounts for each mission.
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It could be that Red Matter is more stable in large amounts, and small drops are inherently unstable.
Like a strangelet? Fascinating.
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It has always seemed strange to me that Spock had so much red matter on his ship. When Nero destroys Vulcan, he uses just a tiny drop that looks like about .01% of the total amount.

Originally, I thought that was because Spock needed enough to collapse a star, while Nero was just using it to collapse planets. But when we see the flashback from Spock's mind meld, it shows that he only used a tiny drop too.

It doesn't seem wise to carry around that much of such an incredibly dangerous material.
Red Matter is so incredibly dangerous that Vulcans don't want it anywhere near their homeworld. Therefore, Spock has do carry the entire quantity with him.
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Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

Or perhaps the means of manufacturing it didn't allow for producing less than he had, and was volatile enough that they wanted to create it within the ship rather than on a planet where it might do more damage if containment failed or such.
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What's the Vulcans doing with Red Matter anyway?
Logical science stuff.
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