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Old June 5 2013, 06:18 AM   #46
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Re: Do we even want another Star Trek movie?

What I didn't like about Into Darkness was specific to that film alone.

I liked Star Trek (2009), and STID is water under the bridge, so I'm going to go into ST XIII fresh. It's another day, another film. Best two out of three. That's how I look at it.

Kind of similar to the Bond films starring Daniel Craig. I liked Casino Royale, didn't like Quantum of Solace at all, then thought Skyfall was great.

With the Star Trek films in general, you have to look at them one at a time.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:01 AM   #47
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What exactly is a "60s story"?
Episodic, statu quo reset at the end of each episode, no conflict among the crew, that kind of thing.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:44 PM   #48
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There are more major problems with the story that aren't mentioned in the FAQ.
I enjoyed the film, even with its flaws. I don't need to read what some idiot internet reviewer thinks about it.
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Old June 5 2013, 08:13 PM   #49
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I enjoyed the film, even with its flaws. I don't need to read what some idiot internet reviewer thinks about it.
For me, it's the other way round: it's those major flaws that did not make the film enjoyable. And the fact that you acknowledge that such flaws exist makes your claim that "some...internet reviewer" is an idiot.

Put simply, no amount of special effects, etc., can make up for such problems.
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Old June 5 2013, 08:22 PM   #50
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All of the Trek films have plot holes you can fly the U.S.S. Vengeance through.
FTFY

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What exactly is a "60s story"?
Episodic, statu quo reset at the end of each episode, no conflict among the crew, that kind of thing.
So: "boring"?
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Old June 5 2013, 09:09 PM   #51
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I think there's dozens of ways they could have done Star Trek right. I think reboot was the best scenario, though, for getting rid of old assumptions.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:13 PM   #52
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So: "boring"?
I wouldn't say "Boring", but definitely older television.

I mean, The Twilight Zone is as episodic as it gets, and it's one of the greatest series ever made.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:17 PM   #53
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Yes. But the episodes weren't reset (usually just the opposite), and there was conflict abound.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:31 PM   #54
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Most of the Trek films have plot holes you can fly the U.S.S. Vengeance through.
Ditto the episodes. Why did Edith Keeler have to die? Kirk could have taken her to the future and have lived happily ever after. And that's supposed to be Trek's finest moment.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:47 PM   #55
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Most of the Trek films have plot holes you can fly the U.S.S. Vengeance through.
Ditto the episodes. Why did Edith Keeler have to die? Kirk could have taken her to the future and have lived happily ever after. And that's supposed to be Trek's finest moment.
Nah, not really a plot hole. For all we know, if Edith had just disappeared with no body, one of the bums at the mission might have been blamed for murdering her, and have been prevented from doing whatever Great Thing they were meant to do, that was both inspired by her and essential to the timeline. The premise of the episode, the tricorder readings of the obituary, demanded that there actually be a body.
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Old June 6 2013, 12:28 AM   #56
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First of all let me just say that I am saying this as a big big fan of the JJverse. This is in no way a bashing message or JJ raped my star trek rant. Star Trek has had a phenomenal highly successful run that has lasted close to 50 years. It has had numerous rebirths after people had declared Star Trek to be dead. Star Trek (or any property for that matter) can ever truly die as long as it has a fanbase supporting it, reliving it and passing it on to others. That being said, it is quite possible that a story can come to an end and the book is fully closed. To me every story should have a definite end at some point. At the end of the latest film the crew of the enterprise is getting ready to embark on the legendary 5 year mission that started it all. At long last, trek has come full circle and ends where the original began *yes yes i know its a NEW timeline and not designed to perfectly sync up with the other*. I walked out of the theater feeling content and...in a way feeling completely fulfilled. It has quenched my thirst so to speak. I am not saying that I never want to see another Trek movie because I felt this was a bad film, far from it...I just am not left with wanting more, which is a bit odd. I had a similar feeling the first time I saw Star Wars Episode 3 in the theater, I was pleased with what I saw and a part of me was content that there wouldn't be any more movies because the story was nicely tied up. As much of a fan as I am, I really dont want new stories to go on forever and ever. I cant think of a more fitting end to end the star trek saga...at least in the films. I still wouldnt mind seeing a new tv series at some point but as far as Captain Kirk and crew, this seemed like a fitting goodbyes. Sometimes its best to quit while you are ahead. What does anybody else think?
So, you might very well feel content and "full" of Star Trek, but the rest of us? Nah. We'll take more.
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Old June 6 2013, 07:14 AM   #57
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For me, it's the other way round: it's those major flaws that did not make the film enjoyable. And the fact that you acknowledge that such flaws exist makes your claim that "some...internet reviewer" is an idiot.

Put simply, no amount of special effects, etc., can make up for such problems.
First, I'm sorry that you can't get past the movie's flaws and enjoy it for what it is. Second, you have yet to state what you think those flaws actually are. Third, what I consider to be flaws and what some idiot internet reviewer considers to be flaws are two entirely different things. It's called subjectivity.
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Old June 6 2013, 11:19 AM   #58
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First, I'm sorry that you can't get past the movie's flaws and enjoy it for what it is. Second, you have yet to state what you think those flaws actually are. Third, what I consider to be flaws and what some idiot internet reviewer considers to be flaws are two entirely different things. It's called subjectivity.
The only way to get past the major flaws in this movie is to treat it as a video game and be awed by the special effects and handsome actors.

Second, the flaws are found in the IO9 spoiler FAQ and other sources, as mentioned earlier. I can't give more details because I don't think this thread is meant for spoilers.

Third, what you should do is see the spoiler FAQ and tell us why you think what were not mentioned aren't flaws in the spoiler thread for this movie found in this forum:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=213013

Finally, even subjectivity contains a measure of objectivity.
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Old June 6 2013, 11:32 AM   #59
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The only way to get past the major flaws in this movie is to treat it as a video game and be awed by the special effects and handsome actors.
So anybody who likes this movie doesn't care about plot, right ?

But then, is it much better to only see flaws in movies and being unable to move on and enjoy the show ? Almost ALL movies have flaws. Do you even watch movies anymore ?
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Old June 6 2013, 11:42 AM   #60
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So anybody who likes this movie doesn't care about plot, right ?
That's right.


But then, is it much better to only see flaws in movies and being unable to move on and enjoy the show ? Almost ALL movies have flaws. Do you even watch movies anymore ?
There's a difference between flaws that you can ignore and those that are are significant and numerous. More details can be found in the spoiler FAQ and various negative reviews of the movie.

Even I noted several while watching the movie.

Finally, I used to enjoy movies just because of the special effects, etc. But as I grew older and watched more movies, I began to notice problems that I didn't see when I was younger.
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