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Old June 5 2013, 05:25 PM   #31
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Re: Transwarp drive: Vengeance = Excelsior

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She didn't say anything like that. Her exact words were: "He's been designing a ship with Mark-Four capabilities, including--" but she never finishes because the Vengeance shows up right about them.
I distinctly remember her saying something about advanced warp capabilities, Eddie. Maybe someone here can confirm.
I do, too. Not sure of the exact line, but I definitely remembering hearing something about an advanced warp drive.
Yes, she talks about an advanced warp drive
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Old June 5 2013, 05:38 PM   #32
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Re: Transwarp drive: Vengeance = Excelsior

I love how many posters say "exact words" and then follow up with something entirely not what the character said.
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Old June 5 2013, 07:39 PM   #33
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Going from memory again, YMMV:

Carol: "He's going to catch up to us and when he does the only thing that's gonna stop him destroying this ship is me so you'd better let me talk to him!"
Kirk: "Relax, we're at warp, he can't catch us."
Carol: "Yes he can! He's been designing a ship with Mark Four capabilities including--"
Sulu: "Captain... I'm getting a reading here I don't understand..."

Could be another scene I don't recall where someone mentions an advanced warp drive, but I can't imagine what it would be. Khan later mentions that the Vengeance has "twice the size, three times the speed" but that's it (his comment "If you think you're safe at warp, you're wrong" is what sent Carol running in the first place).

When else would Carol have mentioned an advanced warp drive?
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Old June 5 2013, 08:30 PM   #34
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Going from memory again, YMMV:

Carol: "He's going to catch up to us and when he does the only thing that's gonna stop him destroying this ship is me so you'd better let me talk to him!"
Kirk: "Relax, we're at warp, he can't catch us."
Carol: "Yes he can! He's been designing a ship with Mark Four capabilities including--"
Sulu: "Captain... I'm getting a reading here I don't understand..."
Definitely not. I first though Carol Marcus said:

Carol: "Yes he can! He's been designing a ship with transwarp capabilities including--"

but when I saw it the second time, I heard

Carol: "Yes he can! He's been designing a ship with advanced warp capabilities including--"

The audience isn't going to understand "Mark four capabilities" (I don't even know what that means), so why would they choose to include distracting technobabble and make people miss the point?
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Old June 5 2013, 09:02 PM   #35
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Carol: "Yes he can! He's been designing a ship with advanced warp capabilities including--"
Yep, this is what I heard.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:10 PM   #36
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Ditto. Twice.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:26 PM   #37
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Same here. "Advanced warp", not "transwarp".
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Old June 5 2013, 09:55 PM   #38
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Carol: "Yes he can! He's been designing a ship with advanced warp capabilities including--"
Yep, this is what I heard.
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Ditto. Twice.
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Same here. "Advanced warp", not "transwarp".
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Old June 6 2013, 04:10 AM   #39
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Well, I'll check the scene again when next I see the movie (off work next week so I'll have a chance then).

Curiously, though, I had a lot of trouble figuring out what she was saying because "Mark four capabilities" didn't make any sense either time I saw the movie. That is, however, exactly what she says in the novelization. "Mark four capabilities." Maybe they changed it in the shooting script at the last minute, but I am 99% confident that's the line in the movie too.
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Old June 6 2013, 10:13 AM   #40
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How much are you willing to bet on it, then ?
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Old June 6 2013, 10:42 AM   #41
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Carol Marcus said advanced warp capabilities. Also when Khan was telling Kirk about the Vengeance he said that it has 3x the speed of the Enterprise. Given that the Enterprise of this universe has a maximum speed of warp 8. The only thing i can think of is the Vengeance has a transwarp drive.
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Old June 6 2013, 11:10 AM   #42
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Warp 8 max... and yet they caught up with Nero at warp 4...
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Old June 6 2013, 02:46 PM   #43
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Warp 8 max... and yet they caught up with Nero at warp 4...
I don't remember that they ever "caught up" to Nero. He was at his destination every time they chased him (i.e. he got there well before the Enterprise).
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Old June 6 2013, 02:53 PM   #44
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Well, what was he waiting for to drill Earth, then ?
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Old June 6 2013, 03:00 PM   #45
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Well, what was he waiting for to drill Earth, then ?
Probably looking for the best place to do it.
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