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Old June 5 2013, 05:02 PM   #31
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

I could see the Borg working, but I'd rather they stay out of it. I don't mind them rehashing old ideas, but for a TOS movie with the TOS crew, I'd rather they rehash a TOS idea.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:32 PM   #32
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I could see the Borg working, but I'd rather they stay out of it. I don't mind them rehashing old ideas, but for a TOS movie with the TOS crew, I'd rather they rehash a TOS idea.
REHASH again...!!!! That word...!!!!

Re-imagening is NOT synonymous to REHASH..!
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Old June 5 2013, 05:37 PM   #33
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Why "luckily" ? He seemed to be doing a good job with the other two.
Lindelof only worked on the script for STiD.
My mistake, then.

I still wonder what's so wrong with him, according to some.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:42 PM   #34
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The other side of the coin is Lex Luthor ALWAYS being used in Superman movies. The Man of Steel film is breaking that trend. However when you use and reuse the same villain or plots over and over it makes the franchise seem stagnant and uninteresting.
Nah Man of Steel is a total REHASH. General Zod was in Supes I and II and was on Smallville and a ton of animated films and it a ton of comic books.

It is still a rehash. In fact I am starting to wonder if Superman actually has any other villains.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:49 PM   #35
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I am so over Q.
I just can't imagine anyone else besides John De-Lancie playing Q, and actually making the part enjoyable to watch.

The next story should be an arc involving the Klingons. STID set that up. Having Q, the re-imagined Borg, and/or Khan in Trek 3 would be overkill and garble the plot up.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:12 PM   #36
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It's probably worth noting that Khan was a rehash when they brought him back in 1982. Didn't hurt the movie one bit. Would The Wrath of Khan have been a better movie with some brand-new threat? I doubt it.

Meanwhile, the nitpicker in me is obliged to point that that Lex Luthor did NOT appear in Superman III, which featured entirely new villains. Didn't help that movie one bit.
THANK YOU! Sooooo true..!
I don't consider TWoK a rehash of Khan. It was a continuation/conclusion to the story that Space Seed started. Not a rehash IMO.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:44 PM   #37
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I think Q did well with Picard and Janeway because they were stuffy and 'proper'.

nuKirk would probably like Q and where would the fun in that be?
Good observation. I was just reading an interview with DeLancie in which he states that he realized early on that Patrick Stewart had already staked out Grave and Serious, so DeLancie went for Snarky and Flippant by way of contrast . . . .
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Old June 5 2013, 07:03 PM   #38
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I think Q did well with Picard and Janeway because they were stuffy and 'proper'.

nuKirk would probably like Q and where would the fun in that be?
Good observation. I was just reading an interview with DeLancie in which he states that he realized early on that Patrick Stewart had already staked out Grave and Serious, so DeLancie went for Snarky and Flippant by way of contrast . . . .
I think Kirk and Q would get along more like Sisko and Q did. Kirk would have zero tolerance for his nonsense, especially if he thought Q endangered his ship. I could see Kirk punching him, too.

Spock would simply find him childish, much like Trelane, but probably also be put off by how, to him, Q is a waste of intellect.

As far as rehashing anything goes, I sincerely hope nothing is the next time. The crew is on its five year mission. They're finally in deep space "where no one has gone, before." Let's pick them up three years into that mission in 2016 and see them finally functioning like a well-oiled machine in whatever conflict they face. That's all I can hope for.

If we have to keep revisiting things, then maybe Trek is out of new ideas.
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Come on, guys. Q wasn't just playful. He had a bit of a mean streak, too.
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Old June 5 2013, 07:39 PM   #40
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Come on, guys. Q wasn't just playful. He had a bit of a mean streak, too.
He could be more petulant than downright mean, I'd say.
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Old June 5 2013, 07:42 PM   #41
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Come on, guys. Q wasn't just playful. He had a bit of a mean streak, too.
He could be more petulant than downright mean, I'd say.
But he wasn't just fun and games either. Crew members died because of him, most notably in "Q Who?"
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Old June 5 2013, 07:43 PM   #42
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So Lindelof has suggested Q and the Borg might be used in Trek XIII... I think it would be like 'the coolest idea ever', but I see fans everywhere shouting and screaming things like: 'Why can't we have a new villain instead of REHASHING old ones?!' God, I hate that word, REHASH...

Were people screaming things like that about the Joker when people learned he would be in The Dark Knight..? The way Nolan reimagined the Joker was so brilliant, and I think The Borg, Q, even the Pakleds could be reimagined in a brilliant way... It's not a REHASH...

Rehash suggests that NEW villains are always better... Shinzon anyone..? Ru'afo..? Soran..? Nero..? All NEW villains... Personally, I'd rather see the Borg..!
The Borg were abused by that sinking ship called the Berman group. What should have been a rare, frightening couple of encounters in "Q Who?" and "The Best of Both Worlds" turned into the typical producer response: "we finally got a popular villain, so let's keep dragging 'em back to this and every other series, oh, and let's stick 'em in the TNG movies!"

A concept drained dry. Considering the nuTrek scripts, I do not expect their take on the Borg to surpass the eerie, fear of the unknown emotion running through the aforementioned episodes. If nuTrek is supposed to be a new voice, then create new villains.
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Old June 5 2013, 07:49 PM   #43
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I think Orci and Kurzman balance him. He seems to come up with all the whack ideas, and they rein him in.
And then mess it up themselves.
Do you ever have anything positive to say ?

Nope, he's a sniper.

Waste of bandwidth really.
Shazam!'s post did have the virtue of being a comment at least tangentially about the movie.

Yours, on the other hand, is a clear swipe at another poster and can in no way be mistaken for anything else. You've been asked on more than one occasion previously to refrain from taking swipes of that sort, so this time it will earn you a warning.

Post, not poster. Comments to PM.


And Belz..., every once in a while, I think you may find that Shazam! does have something positive to say. And when he doesn't, it's simple enough to let those pass without comment.
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The other side of the coin is Lex Luthor ALWAYS being used in Superman movies. The Man of Steel film is breaking that trend. However when you use and reuse the same villain or plots over and over it makes the franchise seem stagnant and uninteresting.
Nah Man of Steel is a total REHASH. General Zod was in Supes I and II and was on Smallville and a ton of animated films and it a ton of comic books.

It is still a rehash. In fact I am starting to wonder if Superman actually has any other villains.
To be fair most comic movies are adaptaions of comic stories, Hell Nolan's Batman comics you can trace from successful issues from the 90's. Man Of Steel is more of an adaptation of the 2004 comic Superman Birthrright. A relaunch origin story about a faux Kryptonian invasion. While the MoS movies will really be a Kryptonian invasion. I don't consider it a rehash because it's like taking a book and bringing it to life on the screen for millions to see.

Being a big fan of Superman myself I can count the times Zod's been used in the last 25 years.
1989 Supergirl Saga Man Of Steel comics
1999 comic Our World at War
2005 comic For Tomorrow
2008 Last Son
and 2010 New Krypton
He wasn't in the animated series of the 90's or the Justice League Series of the early 2000's. You add the 1980 Superman movie and Smallville and that's all he's been in thus far.

Unlike like Batman's Joker who is WAY overexposed. When people think Batman they instant think The Joker. Not Mr Freeze, Mad Hatter, Maxie Zeus, or Scarecrow. When people think Superman they instantly think Lex Luthor. Not Zod, Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, or Darkseid.

Just like when general audiences hear star trek they instantly think klingons by association. Not Jem Ha'dar, Kazon, Borg, Xindi or Augments.
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Why "luckily" ? He seemed to be doing a good job with the other two.
Lindelof only worked on the script for STiD.
My mistake, then.

I still wonder what's so wrong with him, according to some.
Most likely it's coming from people who hated the way Lindelof ended Lost. And people who disliked Prometheus.
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