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Old June 4 2013, 02:24 AM   #181
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Re: Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

I still.say mirroruniverse but this time the big E meets friendly Fed style Klingons battling the Terrain Empire aligned with nu trek Klingons.
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Old June 4 2013, 02:39 AM   #182
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There is no question in my mind that Klingons will feature very heavily in the next film. A Klingon conflict was foreshadowed in this film, the Klingons are hugely popular and well-known in general -- especially among the young fanboys who are the target demographic. There's a hundred different ways the writers can make the Klingons the antagonists. It doesn't have to involve a full-out war, though it certainly could. And it gives the filmmakers plenty of opportunities to create fight scenes and chase scenes and tons of pew-pew.

Yes, the Klingons are very familiar but that's part of the mass appeal. Besides, these will be NuKilingons. We've already seen that they look a little different. Who knows what else will be different about them in this altered timeline?

I'm also convinced that we'll see an affair between Kirk and Carol Marcus and NuDavid will be spawned. Aside from the "it's nice to have a family" foreshadowing at the end, I also think there was a bit of foreshadowing in the scene with Carol and McCoy. Of all the anecdotes McCoy could have related to Carol in the torpedo scene, the writers chose to have him talk to her about delivering babies. And since NuKirk has major daddy issues, it could be an interesting bit of character development for him to find out he's going to be a father himself.

Other possibilities: a subplot about Spock going through pon farr. And for everyone who thought that Kirk's resurrection was too easy, there could still be some fallout for him in the next film. Kirk got some of Khan's blood while simultaneously losing 100 percent of his own blood. Maybe it will have an effect on Kirk in the next film.

Finally, the next film needs more McCoy!
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Old June 4 2013, 02:50 AM   #183
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Finally, the next film needs more McCoy!
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Old June 4 2013, 04:45 AM   #184
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- There were female captains prior to the TOS era (Erika Hernandez), soon after the TOS era (the female captain in STIV and the female captains/flag officers in the Starfleet conference in STVI), and in the alternate universe TOS era (there are at least six women present in the Daystrom conference of captains, XOs, and flag officers in STiD). Then you have Number One from The Cage. If women weren't allowed to command, it wouldn't make much sense to give them the XO position either where you're constantly filling in for the captain anyway, and would take over in the event of his death or incapacitation.

- It's such an anachronistic and sexist remark that it's best to just forget about it and not try and incorporate the gender hangups of the 60s into modern storytelling.
Well how about a woman human captain or first officer or command officer. Someone that has some lines instead of searching around in the background to see a woman. It doesn't have to be JL or some other crazy. I'm even desperate enough to ask Kirk to say something like "Captain Emily Thorton of the Potemkin - she's hot"

But in all the Star Trek series aside from one notable exception I cannot remember one series regular human women who was a captain or first officer or even command officer. Just Janeway and I might give you Yar (although technically she wasn't from Earth but was sort of human).

Uhura and Marcus look like there there to be somebody's girlfriend. I know its a movie and having them fill romantic roles kills two birds with one stone.

Sorry I'll finish off my feminist rant with:

I'd like a human female to be seen in the next movie as a captain or first officer or lead a team.
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Old June 4 2013, 05:12 AM   #185
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I'd like a human female to be seen in the next movie as a captain or first officer or lead a team.
I'll vote for that.
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Old June 4 2013, 05:56 AM   #186
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Please don't take this for anything racist or sexist, I don't mean it that way at all, but I just about fell out of my seat laughing. Just left one thread here where the big rant of the evening is racism and now my very next thread, is a sexism rant. LMAO. To address the issue here. The writers here have vastly improved the role of females in Trek (especially TOS) which is good. Women carry much more responsibility in today's society than they did even during the time TNG was produced and yes, they should be thus represented. The meatier the role the better.
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Old June 4 2013, 07:59 AM   #187
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I haven't come across anyone mention the idea of playing with the chronology of events the way the second and third Jason Bourne movies did; ISTR it came up often when in the early stages of conceptualizing this latest ST movie. Most people assumed that meant cramming large chunks of this movie's narrative in between scenes from Star Trek (2009).

The thing is, everyone was eyeballing that gap between the Enterprise escaping the red matter black hole and Kirk's promotion to captain; yet with this new movie there's a massive gap of time between Kirk's recovery scene and the re-christening/memorial scene that's more obviously suggesting the Bourne influence.

The next movie might very well play out the aftermath of Wrath of Khan in the sense that in the "third" movie shows the Enterprise in a state of disrepair, yet pressed into service out of dire need.

Also, anything could have happened with the Klingons. As some people pointed out, a very serious potential diplomatic incident occurred with the Enterprise's actions in Klingon space, which demands immediate follow up.

And Khan is shown to be re-frozen as a cutaway that is paired with Kirk's speech at the re-christening. The details of what happens to Khan between getting knocked out by Spock and then getting put back into cryosleep are something of a question mark (that admittedly doesn't have to be answered right away, but it looks like some space has been left there to fill in some blanks.
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Klingons! This will be a linked trilogy.

The 5-year mission is to set things up for the animated series.
Yeah, both of these. It seems pretty clear to me that they're gonna do Klingons in the next film. Then the trilogy will be Vulcans and Romulans, Khan and Klingons. And that's Star Trek, as far as the public is concerned.

I'd personally love Tholians, or even reimagined Borg, if done well. But I'm sure it will be Klingons.

And I think it very well might happen during that "missing year". That would leave the 5-year mission open to that TV show we're all hoping for.
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Old June 4 2013, 08:43 AM   #188
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The writers here have vastly improved the role of females in Trek (especially TOS) which is good.
It's a step forward from TOS, certainly. But for strongest female characters in Trek? DS9 - hands down.
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Old June 4 2013, 09:06 AM   #189
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The Mirror Universe might work. And you'd save money on villians since most of the villians are played by the same set of actors. (Maybe Kahn is good in that universe if they want to bring Cumberpatch back.)
An alternate alternate alternate universe movie?
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Old June 4 2013, 09:54 AM   #190
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I guess it's too much to hope that they'll do something newish rather than drag more been-there-done-that's out of the archives. Personally, I loved the opening sequence of the film and seeing the crew with THAT kind of energy dealing with a strange new world would make me very happy.

And, honestly, if they're not so concerned about trying to please the hardcore audience, why even go back to the well?
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Old June 4 2013, 10:21 AM   #191
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But in all the Star Trek series aside from one notable exception I cannot remember one series regular human women who was a captain or first officer or even command officer. Just Janeway and I might give you Yar (although technically she wasn't from Earth but was sort of human).
Major Kira Nerys.

And for non-regulars:

Admiral Nechayev.

Captain Rachel Garrett.

Etc.
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Old June 4 2013, 01:37 PM   #192
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- There were female captains prior to the TOS era (Erika Hernandez), soon after the TOS era (the female captain in STIV and the female captains/flag officers in the Starfleet conference in STVI), and in the alternate universe TOS era (there are at least six women present in the Daystrom conference of captains, XOs, and flag officers in STiD). Then you have Number One from The Cage. If women weren't allowed to command, it wouldn't make much sense to give them the XO position either where you're constantly filling in for the captain anyway, and would take over in the event of his death or incapacitation.

- It's such an anachronistic and sexist remark that it's best to just forget about it and not try and incorporate the gender hangups of the 60s into modern storytelling.
Well how about a woman human captain or first officer or command officer. Someone that has some lines instead of searching around in the background to see a woman. It doesn't have to be JL or some other crazy. I'm even desperate enough to ask Kirk to say something like "Captain Emily Thorton of the Potemkin - she's hot"

But in all the Star Trek series aside from one notable exception I cannot remember one series regular human women who was a captain or first officer or even command officer. Just Janeway and I might give you Yar (although technically she wasn't from Earth but was sort of human).

Uhura and Marcus look like there there to be somebody's girlfriend. I know its a movie and having them fill romantic roles kills two birds with one stone.

Sorry I'll finish off my feminist rant with:

I'd like a human female to be seen in the next movie as a captain or first officer or lead a team.
So would I. I can't tell, were you under the impression that I disagree with that? I was arguing against the idea that they should follow any outdated 60s era restrictions on showing female captains.
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Old June 4 2013, 02:27 PM   #193
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But in all the Star Trek series aside from one notable exception I cannot remember one series regular human women who was a captain or first officer or even command officer. Just Janeway and I might give you Yar (although technically she wasn't from Earth but was sort of human).
Major Kira Nerys.

And for non-regulars:

Admiral Nechayev.

Captain Rachel Garrett.

Etc.
Kira wasn't human, even partially so. She was Bajoran.
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Old June 4 2013, 02:30 PM   #194
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Kira was humanoid and had to be pretty darn close physically to carry a human baby to term.
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Old June 4 2013, 03:41 PM   #195
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Kira wasn't human, even partially so. She was Bajoran.
Racist !
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