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Old June 3 2013, 07:38 PM   #91
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Re: What's Up with the Warp Core (SPOILERS Into Darkness)

Yup, he says core, they eject I think its closer to 6 identical chambers, lined up along the spine of the ship, above where the "main core" is shown to be in this movie.

So obviously the warp core is made up of a variety of different individual mechanisms tied together in the reaction process.
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Old June 3 2013, 07:40 PM   #92
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The 'getting the reactor going..' bit did look better than Spock sticking his hand into a pillar shooting glowy fog, but KICKING a piece into alignment?
Kirk's version of the "bigger hammer" principle of engineering? Percussive maintenance in extreme environments?
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Old June 3 2013, 08:58 PM   #93
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Re: What's Up with the Warp Core (SPOILERS Into Darkness)

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The 'getting the reactor going..' bit did look better than Spock sticking his hand into a pillar shooting glowy fog, but KICKING a piece into alignment?

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The kicking is a tough nut to crack in universe. I mean what reason could there possibly be for that emitter thingy, where perfect alignment at all times would seem a critical requirement, to be attached to a ball joint?

Perhaps it needs to be adjustable so it may 'break' alignment to stop the flow in case of overload?

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Old June 3 2013, 09:32 PM   #94
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Re: What's Up with the Warp Core (SPOILERS Into Darkness)

I kind of liked Kirk having to use brute force to realign the warp core injectors. It doesn't make the most sense in terms of design as The Keeper said, but too much Trek tech consists of people waving a blinking spanner or tricorder over a piece of equipment, pulling a few processing chips out and shouting technobabble. It's fun for a while but can get tiresome.
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Old June 3 2013, 11:11 PM   #95
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Oh I agree, Cooleddie74.

Kirk kicking at that thing evoked a flood o' memories of Classic Kirk making the same style movement. The smile on my face could not have been jack-hammered away.
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Old June 4 2013, 02:21 AM   #96
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Re: What's Up with the Warp Core (SPOILERS Into Darkness)

The only things missing were a ripped shirt and the classic TOS fight or dramatic scene music.

A little "dah-dah-DAH-DAH-DAH-DAH" would have been sweet.
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Old June 4 2013, 02:52 AM   #97
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And a little trickle of blood at the side of his mouth. Oh, wait. I think he had that, from coughing it up due to the radiation!

With the 5 year mission starting perhaps we'll finally begin getting more of the familiar cues. *crosses fingers*

I'll just leave this here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZxLVXw8mbU for anyone not versed in TOS music cues/sound effects desiring to get caught up. (not the full library, just some of the posters favorites)
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Old June 4 2013, 03:37 AM   #98
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I can accept the warp core, if it didn't require a crew to climb the bloody thing to fix it. Why wasn't a more practical and safe solution not devised?

The word "climb" is direct from the film.
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Old June 4 2013, 03:43 AM   #99
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I can accept the warp core, if it didn't require a crew to climb the bloody thing to fix it. Why wasn't a more practical and safe solution not devised?

You mean something like popping the lid to release a bunch of radioactive fog and then stirring your hands around inside the mixture ala TWOK?
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Old June 4 2013, 04:07 AM   #100
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I can accept the warp core, if it didn't require a crew to climb the bloody thing to fix it. Why wasn't a more practical and safe solution not devised?
There are lots of large engineering constructs that people have to climb to maintain, like bridges, say. I'm sure the people who maintain the Large Hadron Collider need to use cranes or scaffolds or the like to do maintenance on some of its components. I'm sure the only reason Kirk needed to free-climb is because there wasn't time to bring in the right equipment.
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Old June 4 2013, 04:13 AM   #101
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I'm sure the people who maintain the Large Hadron Collider need to use cranes or scaffolds or the like to do maintenance on some of its components.
The LHC is probably a good comparison. The accelerator ring requires lots of maintenance, so the beam tunnel is readily accessible to the engineers. But you wouldn't want to enter the tunnel while the thing is running, because it's filled with deadly radiation.
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Plus, isn't the primary engine core of a Borg vessel both enormous and extremely complicated? I can't recall if we've actually seen the engineering section or core of a Borg cube or other large vessel, but I believe the impression was given during TNG, First Contact or VOY that the engines of a Borg ship were extremely complicated pieces of advanced machinery not to mention huge.

The Borg Collective was one of the most powerful and technologically advanced species in Trek, much moreso in many respects than the Federation, so if their vessels could have huge, extremely complex engineering sections to propel their ships then it shouldn't be too big a deal if a 23rd century Federation starship - especially one in a new and alternate timeline - has a warp core that looks like this one.
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Old June 4 2013, 04:29 AM   #103
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No, I am not thinking of TWOK. I don't understand how Spock repaired the ship doing what he did.

Reading the other posts, would it have been impractical showing Kirk getting equipment for the climb or using a scaffolding device to get him to the damaged component? Certainly in that $190 million they could have spent some money on climbing equipment or a scaffold. Hell, they could have spent money on leasing a modern day scaffold, spruce it up, and film Kirk going up to the reactor. This is the equipment I imagine being available.

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Old June 4 2013, 04:59 AM   #104
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No, I am not thinking of TWOK. I don't understand how Spock repaired the ship doing what he did.
If I remember correctly,in TWOK, Spock enters the reactor room. The pedestal contains the DiLithium crystals. He must have reoriented the crystals.
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Old June 4 2013, 06:10 AM   #105
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Yup, he says core, they eject I think its closer to 6 identical chambers, lined up along the spine of the ship, above where the "main core" is shown to be in this movie.

So obviously the warp core is made up of a variety of different individual mechanisms tied together in the reaction process.
Considering the main core is built in the NIF, I would guess the six small modules they jettisoned are probably in the same room with the core, three on each side, connected to the core by a spectacular array of pipes and tubes entering the pressure vessel.

So probably the things they ejected in 2009 were the antimatter pods.

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The kicking is a tough nut to crack in universe. I mean what reason could there possibly be for that emitter thingy, where perfect alignment at all times would seem a critical requirement, to be attached to a ball joint?
If it was a ball joint, he would have kicked it sideways, not down.

He wasn't kicking it so much as STOMPING on it trying to push it back into place. I had to do the same thing once about a year ago when the hood of my car wouldn't close.

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I can accept the warp core, if it didn't require a crew to climb the bloody thing to fix it. Why wasn't a more practical and safe solution not devised?
Because the movie takes place a couple of years before "That Which Survives," by which time the reaction chamber will have been slightly redesigned to make this sort of operation a little easier.

The word "climb" is direct from the film.
Scotty probably figured it was easier than crawling.

That'll learn 'im.
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