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Old May 27 2013, 10:40 PM   #196
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Re: Star Trek Federation: The First 150 Years

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I'm not sure why CBS would do the book if it did not have some legitimacy in canon
CBS didn't "do the book", they licensed it out to becker&mayer and 47North. It is no more "legitimate" than books put out by Ballantine, Corgi, Bantam, Pocket/Gallery, Abrams Publishing or Running Press, etc.

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He had no idea whatsoever, thinking the Titan novels and Countdown comic were canon but Destiny and the stuff about Janeway dying wasn't. I was listening and thinking, "For gods' sake man, Google it!"
Canon [for the the purposes of his videogame project].
Well, in point of fact, CBS was very involved in the production of the book - the manuscript had to be approved chapter by chapter by the head of licensing of CBS inc.
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Old May 27 2013, 11:11 PM   #197
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^Which is true of every licensed Trek tie-in from every publisher.
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Old May 28 2013, 03:44 PM   #198
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Re: Star Trek Federation: The First 150 Years

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Well, in point of fact, CBS was very involved in the production of the book - the manuscript had to be approved chapter by chapter by the head of licensing of CBS inc.
Not disagreeing with you, but CBS didn't "do the book", as the OP (Enterpriserules) insisted. CBS licensed it out to becker&mayer and 47North. It is no more "legitimate" than books put out by Ballantine, Corgi, Bantam, Pocket/Gallery, Abrams Publishing or Running Press, or any other licensed Star Trek tie-in.

Enterpriserules said: "I'm not sure why CBS would do the book if it did not have some legitimacy in canon..."
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Old May 29 2013, 03:39 AM   #199
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I think David A. Goodman probably knows that.
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Old May 31 2013, 05:07 PM   #200
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I think David A. Goodman probably knows that.
I would have thought so too, but his comment seemed a little odd in light of the earlier discussion. And a previous thread when his book first came out.
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Old June 1 2013, 09:23 PM   #201
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You can see a similar pattern of borrowing in original science fiction, like the way Ursula LeGuin's word "ansible" for an instantaneous FTL communication system
I seem to remember that in some dialog recently--I forget where now...
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Old June 3 2013, 02:13 AM   #202
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Well, in point of fact, CBS was very involved in the production of the book - the manuscript had to be approved chapter by chapter by the head of licensing of CBS inc.
Not disagreeing with you, but CBS didn't "do the book", as the OP (Enterpriserules) insisted. CBS licensed it out to becker&mayer and 47North. It is no more "legitimate" than books put out by Ballantine, Corgi, Bantam, Pocket/Gallery, Abrams Publishing or Running Press, or any other licensed Star Trek tie-in.

Enterpriserules said: "I'm not sure why CBS would do the book if it did not have some legitimacy in canon..."
This seems like a lot of hair-splitting. My point is, that CBS was as involved as Becker/Mayer was in making this book. The expression "do the book" implied to me a creative involvement, not just a production involvement - CBS didn't just sign over the rights and say do whatever you want. Christopher is right as well that CBS is involved with all their products that they've licensed. So when Therin says CBS didn't "Do the book" that is maybe technically accurate from a production point of view but in fact not the reality of the situation. It was the head of licensing for CBS consumer products that said he considered my book canon, but my feeling is, canon is what is filmed, and when we write books or other stories while we're trying to make our work fit into canon, we have to be prepared for months of our sweat to be supplanted by one line of dialogue written by Kurtzman and Orci.
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Old June 3 2013, 02:50 AM   #203
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^The thing that's odd to me about the head of licensing saying he considered your book canonical, David, is that I haven't been instructed to keep my Rise of the Federation novels consistent with it. Instead I'm continuing the version of post-ENT continuity that was established in the preceding four novels in the series and that interprets a number of things differently than you did. As a rule, we're not allowed to contradict canon, and if something in the book continuity is overwritten by later canon, then later books are expected to conform to the new information. (E.g. The Lost Era: The Sundered posited a scorpionlike appearance for the Tholians, but books that came out after "In a Mirror, Darkly" used the Tholian appearance seen there.) So if the licensing folks thought your book was canonical, they would presumably have asked me to be consistent with it, but they haven't.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's a long history of Trek tie-ins offering alternative versions of the same event, like the Pocket and DC versions of Kirk's first mission on the Enterprise that came out within a year of each other -- and the five other incompatible versions of same that have come out from Pocket, DC, and IDW in the years since.)
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Old June 3 2013, 04:55 AM   #204
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I think the more important unresolved question is for both David and Christopher: will I be able to have your respective books touch each other, or would they annihilate each other and possibly destroy the universe?!
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Old June 3 2013, 09:42 AM   #205
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Re: Star Trek Federation: The First 150 Years

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So when Therin says CBS didn't "Do the book"...
I was simply quoting Enterpriserules. Not my choice of words.

CBS didn't just sign over the rights and say do whatever you want.
That applies to everything Trek that they license.
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Old June 3 2013, 01:04 PM   #206
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So when Therin says CBS didn't "Do the book"...
I was simply quoting Enterpriserules. Not my choice of words.

Had no idea I was going to spark this much debate
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Old June 3 2013, 01:51 PM   #207
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I think the more important unresolved question is for both David and Christopher: will I be able to have your respective books touch each other, or would they annihilate each other and possibly destroy the universe?!
Only one way to find out...
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Old June 3 2013, 04:43 PM   #208
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Christopher wrote: View Post
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I think the more important unresolved question is for both David and Christopher: will I be able to have your respective books touch each other, or would they annihilate each other and possibly destroy the universe?!
Only one way to find out...
I've got a bad feeling about this........
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Old June 3 2013, 04:54 PM   #209
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"Annihilation, Jim. Total, complete, absolute annihilation."
"Of everything that exists, everywhere."
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Old June 3 2013, 06:23 PM   #210
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"Annihilation, Jim. Total, complete, absolute annihilation."
"Of everything that exists, everywhere."
Last year for my birthday my mom gave me a card with that quote from Spock referring to the amount of candles I had.
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