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Old June 3 2013, 08:03 AM   #16
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Re: Hirogen vs Dominion?

I'm kinda geeking out on the Hirogen here but in the "Hunters" episode, the Alpha states he has been tracking 8472 for over fifty light years. Being an ancient race, maybe their "dicyclic" warp engines travel faster than transwarp. Also the Hirogen arsenal includes a subnucleonic beam that could perform rapid scans of other vessels and could severely disable ships, disrupting its propulsion and its navigational sensors.

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Being Voyager beat the Hirogen on a number of fights...
But Voyager never successfully destroyed a Hirogen ship.

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...the Dominion's polaron weaponry did cut through the shields of the Federation when they first encountered them... So, it's just as likely those polaron beams would chew up the Hirogen
The Hirogen hull was far superior than voyagers weapons, the Dominion weapons may be as ineffective.
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Old June 3 2013, 09:40 AM   #17
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But the real challenge would be nailing that founder to the wall.
What? You can't nail a bucket to the wall?
I'm thinking you flatten the founder between two large sheets of transparent aluminum and mount it that way, so it moves around like a lava lamp. A flat lava lamp.
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Old June 3 2013, 11:51 AM   #18
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Wait I know who would win, whomever the plot dictated.
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Old June 3 2013, 12:15 PM   #19
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Wait I know who would win, whomever the plot dictated.



Another intriguing match would be the Krenim vs. The Dominion. Or the Krenim vs. the Borg.
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Old June 3 2013, 03:15 PM   #20
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Re: Hirogen vs Dominion?

Who ever wins in a Hirogen vs Dominion fight, it'll be a long drawn out one and not the quick simple win due to Dominion numbers.

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Another intriguing match would be the Krenim vs. The Dominion. Or the Krenim vs. the Borg.
I thougbt about starting that thread but there is a flaw with the Krenim time ship, once it blows time reverts itself. If the Krenim were to win, after 10000 years of peace when the ship gets hit by an asteroid or something like that, time would revert back.
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Old June 4 2013, 08:24 AM   #21
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But the real challenge would be nailing that founder to the wall.
What? You can't nail a bucket to the wall?
I'm thinking you flatten the founder between two large sheets of transparent aluminum and mount it that way, so it moves around like a lava lamp. A flat lava lamp.
I like the way you think, Teacake! If we weren't discussing how to mount the remains of a dead founder, I'd say that idea is worthy of Weyoun.

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Old June 5 2013, 10:31 AM   #22
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Re: Hirogen vs Dominion?

This has a very real world counterpart in my opinion.

Look at the Iraq war, USA has the numbers and tech, but they can't defeat Al Quaeda, I mean they can take down some leaders but you can't really "beat" a fragmented group like that.

In some ways you could look at the superior numbers and advantages of the Dominon the same way, but the Hirogen are nomadic, scattered, and the way they operate kind of makes full scale war a non starter. Despite being "hunters" I have no doubt they would be willing to wait in the dark before snaring their "prey".

Stalemate imo
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Old June 5 2013, 10:53 AM   #23
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Re: Hirogen vs Dominion?

Of course they are going to wait in the dark. That's what hunting is, only humans who hunt without the need for meat do so with rules about civility and fairness.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:53 AM   #24
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Who says, the Domion will send in the Jem'Hadar?
They might send a bunch of Tosk and distract them that way to the point of irrelevance.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:31 PM   #25
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Re: Hirogen vs Dominion?

Infern0 wrote: View Post
This has a very real world counterpart in my opinion.

Look at the Iraq war, USA has the numbers and tech, but they can't defeat Al Quaeda, I mean they can take down some leaders but you can't really "beat" a fragmented group like that.

In some ways you could look at the superior numbers and advantages of the Dominon the same way, but the Hirogen are nomadic, scattered, and the way they operate kind of makes full scale war a non starter. Despite being "hunters" I have no doubt they would be willing to wait in the dark before snaring their "prey".

Stalemate imo
Al Quaeda has no chance whatsoever of bringing down USA. It can 'wait in the dark' all it wants.
USA, on the other hand, has fragmented it, decapitated it, etc.

One may fail to capture/kill every last member of such dispersed groups, but one can bring them down to the point of near-irrelevancy.

Stalemate? Not even close.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:47 PM   #26
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Re: Hirogen vs Dominion?

The Hirogen had armor that let them walk around on Stars, right?

Do the Dominion have anything like that?
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Old June 6 2013, 09:19 PM   #27
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The Hirogen had armor that let them walk around on Stars, right?
Dying stars but if they have that kind of armor, it'll be imaginable that they could hide their ship in a star, like a lion waiting in the bush for it's prey.

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Old June 6 2013, 09:57 PM   #28
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And the Venatic Hunter Ship seems a lot tougher than most Dominion ships.
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Old June 9 2013, 04:05 PM   #29
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Dominion world "win" but not defeat them.

The hirogen are not a empire they are scatterd nomades.

The hirogen would never be able to defeat the dominion but im guessing the dominion would find it impossibe to hunt them all down.
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Old June 9 2013, 04:07 PM   #30
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I thougbt about starting that thread but there is a flaw with the Krenim time ship, once it blows time reverts itself. If the Krenim were to win, after 10000 years of peace when the ship gets hit by an asteroid or something like that, time would revert back.

Who said anything about a time ship?

The krenim are still a power house with that ships. Look at the huge warships chaseing voyeger in the year of hell.
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