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Old June 3 2013, 04:56 AM   #16
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Re: Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

Did they just fire half the cast?
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Old June 3 2013, 04:57 AM   #17
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Old June 3 2013, 05:07 AM   #18
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Re: Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

I just wish the show had done a better job of explaining just how vile this treachery was, by betraying Guest Rights.


"The guest right is a sacred law of hospitality. When a guest, be he
common born or noble, eats the food and drinks the drink off a host's
table beneath the host's roof, the guest right is invoked. Bread and salt are the traditional provisions.
When invoked, neither the guest can harm his host nor the host harm his guest for the length of the guest's stay.
For either to do so would be to break a sacred covenant that is
believed to invoke the wrath of the Gods both old and new. Both the
teachings of the Old Gods and the Faith of the Seven hold to this. Even robber lords and wreckers are bound by the ancient laws of hospitality. "
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Old June 3 2013, 05:23 AM   #19
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The ancient Greeks had a word for guest rights: xenia. I learned about this right from reading Herodotus and Thucydides. And, this belief is present in the Bible, most notably, when Abraham was visited by God and his entourage in Genesis 19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_%28Greek%29
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Old June 3 2013, 06:08 AM   #20
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"This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not BICKER and ARGUE over WHO killed WHO..."

Ah, and here it it, the moment us book readers have been waiting for for three years. I still vividly remember reading this chapter back in 2000 and having to set down the book like "Holy crap, Martin did NOT just do that!" You're thinking ok, Robb will just get this unpleasantness with Walder Frey out of the way and get back to fighting the good fight. Nope, bam, he's done. It's over.

I'm so glad they included my all-time favorite Hodor-related line here. "NO MORE HODORING!"
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Old June 3 2013, 06:56 AM   #21
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Old June 3 2013, 07:03 AM   #22
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Re: Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

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I never read the books, so it was a complete surprise to me. So for the people who have read the books, have their been many changes done to the story? How many books are there and are they worth reading having watched the show?


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I have not read the books but as I understand it one of the biggest differences between them and the show was how this whole 3 season Robb/Talisa/Katlyn story. The show runners designed all of it to lead to this point and be more brutal by fleshing out Robb more along the way and changing the end to be even worse.
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Old June 3 2013, 07:18 AM   #23
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Knew the Red Wedding was coming but it was hard to watch. Stabbing Talisa in the stomach a bunch of times almost made me sick. That was a bit over the top.
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Old June 3 2013, 07:22 AM   #24
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Definitely read the books, cbspock. So much more depth, detail and scale in them. The show feels like the Cliffs Notes version of the story by comparison. There are 5 books currently out and 2 yet to be written. This season covers just the first half of book 3.
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Old June 3 2013, 07:25 AM   #25
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Old June 3 2013, 07:26 AM   #26
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I just wish the show had done a better job of explaining just how vile this treachery was, by betraying Guest Rights.
Repeatedly stabbing a pregnant women in the stomach to begin the massacre didn't convey the vileness of the act adequately enough?

I think the wrongness of killing people you welcomed into your home as guests was portrayed well enough without quoting minutiae from ancient tradition and law, and there's still another episode and the next season to discuss it anyway if they feel the need.

As far as the episode goes, I knew what was coming, but it was still a punch in the gut, if you'll pardon the expression. I haven't felt this way from a show/movie since walking out silent and defeated from the ending of Seven. Once the doors were closed and the musicians started playing The Rains of Castamere, I got chills from the ominous buildup to the inevitable. But still, stabbing Talisa like that was just devastating, as was Cat's plea for Robb to leave.

Sad as it was, I immediately watched the episode again. It was excellent but horrifying, but it's the mark of a great show that it can walk that line effectively.
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Old June 3 2013, 07:29 AM   #27
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Definitely read the books, cbspock. So much more depth, detail and scale in them. The show feels like the Cliffs Notes version of the story by comparison. There are 5 books currently out and 2 yet to be written. This season covers just the first half of book 3.
The Red Wedding made me quit the books, to be honest. I made it to the end of book 3, but was far too frustrated with Martin after that. I know it shows that he doesn't follow the herd and he's a surprising writer and all that, but if I want depressing literature where everyone dies or suffers, I'd read any number of Russian novels.
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Did they just fire half the cast?
They'd have to drop a couple dozen nukes in Westeros to really start pruning down the cast.

Looks like maybe only 3 or 4 were taken out with Robb/Caitlyn being the biggest names since they began the show. Talisa didn't have that much screen time, but was the impact being his wife and that she was pregnant.

Other than those 3 you got other characters who were part of Robb's army and appeared, but none of them are really significant.

I think King's Landing has the biggest collection of recurring and significant characters at the moment.
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Old June 3 2013, 08:04 AM   #29
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I can't believe Snape killed Dumbledore. #gameofthrones
^ Easily the best Tweet I saw tonight about 309.
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Old June 3 2013, 08:51 AM   #30
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Wow. I knew what was coming, as I was in the process of reading the third novel. I've read around 75% of it. Will finish it soon - but enjoying what I see on TV. Kinder spoiler myself when I looked at what characters would be in future books, when I saw that certain characters weren't in them.
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