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Old June 2 2013, 09:40 PM   #211
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Re: Star Trek Continues "Pilgrim of Eternity"

I will give the production crew, and actors, credit: The visuals were delightful, and Chris Doohan would have made his dad proud. Aside from that, most of the other actors were just non-existent. Oh, they were saying their lines, but that's about all it felt like. There was no emotion, no strength in the delivery. It almost felt like a table reading, to be honest.

If I close my eyes, and listen to Shat, Nimoy, or Kelley deliver their lines, I can almost read the expressions on their faces just by the way they deliver the words. With these people, however, I draw a blank. For all I know, they're reading the menu at Don's Chinese Buffet, and just ordered the Creme of Sum-Yung-Gai.

Also, the actor playing McCoy needs to be replaced. He's just completely wrong for the role. Remember watching Andy Griffith, and seeing Floyd Lawson as played by Howard McNear? Remember the first actor who played Floyd? Well it would be like replacing Howard McNear with Walter Baldwin. It would just strike the wrong chord immediately, and that's how I felt with this actor playing McCoy. No offense to the man, he's playing his part, but the whole tone feels completely off.

By comparison, Karl Urban nailed the shit out of the McCoy role for ST09 and STiD. To me, Urban is the bona fide younger incarnation of De Kelley's famous ship's surgeon/all-around curmudgeon. So it can be done.

All in all, a decent effort, though I feel that they should have simply struck out to do a different crew. One of my favorite fan productions is Starship Exeter, because they're not trying to be the Enterprise crew, and I think it works better that way. Unless you have some mad talent as a casting director, you're not going to effectively capture the mannerisms and style of that original crew.

So, all in all, a valiant effort, and in some places they succeed, where in many others they don't. I don't care about authentic sets, and smooth visuals if the actors can't deliver. If they can't pull me into the story, then it's all for naught.

As it stands, when I see Vic Mignona, I see "I AM PLAYING CAPTAIN KIRK!" in neon letters above his head. The same for Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, respectively. Chris Doohan, though, did a wonderful job as Scotty. He even smiles like him. I really enjoyed his work in this episode. The rest, though, didn't seem comfortable in their roles. Maybe it's just me, but they seemed to be more avatar than incarnation.

So I hope they can improve on that, because they have a lot of promise. Some significant work needs done, but if they're dedicated, they'll see it through. I hope they succeed. It's nice to see episodic Star Trek again.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:59 PM   #212
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I think some of you are confusing dud scripts with overall quality of the product as a whole. There are lots of TOS episode duds, but, with a few exceptions, the acting is always solid as is the camera work, editing, etc. By those measures, no fanfilm ever has been TV quality, as admirable as the work might be.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:02 PM   #213
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I think Vic does a passable job as Kirk. He tends to speak through his nose though, and with practice could open it up and sound less like he's hitting the helium. And that's not a dig. I really think he's doing the best "non-sanctioned" Kirk I've seen.

The Spock guy is ok, but the hair bugs me. It's just not right. The ears are too big for his head too. These are minor things that can be fixed.

McCoy is miscast. The guy might be good with another character, but not this one. P2's John Kelley is much better, IMO.

Chris Doohan does a good job, but might be trying a bit too hard. Some places the accent didn't flow, like he was tripping over it. He'll get it right.

Another Scotty note: I thought that if it were 45 years ago, some of his lines would have gone to Spock or McCoy. Not a problem, just something I noticed.

Michael Forest was good.

The holodeck scene was weird. It didn't fit into the story at all. I didn't get the Paladin connection until I saw someone else comment on it. That's cool, but unnecessary.

Otherwise, the story was good. They hit the ground running with this one. Some things could be tightened up, but all in all, I've seen a lot worse.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:10 PM   #214
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I think some of you are confusing dud scripts with overall quality of the product as a whole. There are lots of TOS episode duds, but, with a few exceptions, the acting is always solid as is the camera work, editing, etc. By those measures, no fanfilm ever has been TV quality, as admirable as the work might be.
An episode of TOS cost what adjusted to inflation? 1 million?
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Old June 2 2013, 10:55 PM   #215
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Well, most of it has already been said, but I, too, am blown away by the quality of this. While certainly not up to television broadcast standards, most of this seemed to work. The acting, the music, the story, the effects – there's great work from all departments. I especially enjoyed Michael Forest, who – no surprise there – outshines pretty much everyone else with his acting chops. He has a grace and stature that even a silly costume and hair piece can't diminish.

But all the others were great, too. Vis Mignogna is terrific as Kirk! I didn't think I was going to like him from the first snippets of his Kirk, but I loved him here. Larry Nemecek as McCoy is nice, too, even though he's not exactly channeling Kelley's performance. (But then again, why would he need to be?) Chris Doohan is great as Scotty and I like the guy playing Spock; although he seems too young to me.

My favorite scene in this, by the way, was the singing in the rec room. It might have seemed cheesy to some, but it really felt like something TOS would have done; especially in season three or four. Michael Forest's delivery in this was amazing. I loved this! (Also, Jamie Bamber as a redshirt: Brilliant!)

I wish I could say the same about the first scene and the last, both of which seemed kind of gratuitous. The first one because it served no purpose whatsoever for the story to follow, and the last one because it felt like something TOS would never have done.

But those are just minor quibbles. I love this and I'm really looking forward to what they come up with next.
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Old June 2 2013, 11:18 PM   #216
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Re: Star Trek Continues "Pilgrim of Eternity"

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I think some of you are confusing dud scripts with overall quality of the product as a whole. There are lots of TOS episode duds, but, with a few exceptions, the acting is always solid as is the camera work, editing, etc. By those measures, no fanfilm ever has been TV quality, as admirable as the work might be.
An episode of TOS cost what adjusted to inflation? 1 million?
People keep saying some fanfilms are as good as the professional shows, but they're not. The cost may well be partly to blame, but I think there's more to it than that, especially since these are labors of love instead of professional productions (even if there are some pro people involved).

None of which is to diminish what these people accomplish. I'm just being realistic about the result.
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Old June 3 2013, 02:05 AM   #217
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I think some of you are confusing dud scripts with overall quality of the product as a whole. There are lots of TOS episode duds, but, with a few exceptions, the acting is always solid as is the camera work, editing, etc. By those measures, no fanfilm ever has been TV quality, as admirable as the work might be.
An episode of TOS cost what adjusted to inflation? 1 million?
I believe the episodes were budgeted at $186,000 per episode for one of the seasons (can't remember which). That would amount to about $1.3 million in today's dollars
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Old June 3 2013, 02:29 AM   #218
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Re: Star Trek Continues "Pilgrim of Eternity"

The holodeck was somewhat gratuitous, to bridge the TOS era to TNG (as was the counselor). I can live with it. We had the IDIC scene in a broadcast TOS after all, just to sell trinkets.

I'm ok with a different-feeling Dr. oddly. I really like DeForest Kelley; but different actors are allowed to interpret a role differently. In fact in the movies Pine and Quinto seem different from the TV actors, but Urban is so Kelley-like, it takes me out of the story a bit. Weird, I know. The Chekov guy, too, like they're impersonating the TV actors while the rest did their characters on their own.
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Old June 3 2013, 02:55 AM   #219
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The holodeck was somewhat gratuitous, to bridge the TOS era to TNG...
Except the holodeck was actually introduced in TAS' "The Practical Joker."
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Old June 3 2013, 02:59 AM   #220
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It was still gratuitous as it had zip to do with the story.
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Old June 3 2013, 03:04 AM   #221
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Hello everyone, I've been browsing these forums for a long time, but never registered until now. Well here I am!

That out of the way, I'll chime in on my thoughts on PoE. I've seen several different fan productions, from Exeter to Phase II and Farragut. I've gotta say that I have enjoyed them all, and this first full outing for ST Continues is certainly no exception.

Streaming it from YouTube onto my big screen tonight, I was blown away by the production values and work these amazing people put into a project like this.

Vic Mignogna makes a terrific Kirk! I for one enjoyed his performance and thought he nailed the charisma that makes up who Kirk is. He comes off as a real heroic leader, and I appreciated his effort.

Chris Doohan blew me away. When I first saw him perform as Scotty in the "Birthday" vignette I immediately realized that he is about 10 times better than Simon Pegg is for that character (no offense to Mr. Pegg, he's an awesome guy, I just couldn't see him as Scotty). It was also cool to see Grant Imahara play Sulu (MythBusters rocks), and getting another Apollo in Jamie Bamber was a nice touch.

Speaking of Apollo, it was good to see Michael Forest reprise his TOS guest role. It was nice that they sent him off the way they did, as the way he departed in Who Mourns for Adonais seemed somewhat tragic.

The visual effects were also top notch. Enterprise looked fantastic, inside and out. Big kudos to the entire production team.

I've got to hand it to the men and women who help put these fan productions together for our entertainment. I really appreciate the effort and time they invest so we can enjoy just a little more Trek. I think Mr. Roddenberry would be proud.

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The holodeck was somewhat gratuitous, to bridge the TOS era to TNG...
Except the holodeck was actually introduced in TAS' "The Practical Joker."
Right. I think the poster's point was not that the holodeck concept was anachronistic, having been introduced in "The Practical Joker" (and in the book The Making of Star Trek years before that, for that matter). I think the point was that the completely plausible holodeck technology and scene with Paladin from "have Gun, Will Travel" didn't really have any dramatic purpose in the story. It's not like they ended up giving Apollo a holographic home or something. I think people might have been waiting for Checkov's Gun to pay off. It never really did. I guess it was just an appetizer that was unrelated to the main course. (I guess people can decide if that spoils the meal for them or not.)
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The holodeck was somewhat gratuitous, to bridge the TOS era to TNG...
Except the holodeck was actually introduced in TAS' "The Practical Joker."
That was a "recreation room" that appeared to have rather limited capabilities. It looked like it just did scenery as we never saw any characters to interact with in it.

The thing that bugs me, if you're a stickler for canon, is that the holodeck appeared to be a fairly new thing in "Encounter to Farpoint," about 80 years later. Riker and Wesley were both "ooing" and "aahing" about it in that episode.
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I think some of you are confusing dud scripts with overall quality of the product as a whole. There are lots of TOS episode duds, but, with a few exceptions, the acting is always solid as is the camera work, editing, etc. By those measures, no fanfilm ever has been TV quality, as admirable as the work might be.
In my defense, Starship Exeter has spoiled me beyond all reason.
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The holodeck was somewhat gratuitous, to bridge the TOS era to TNG...
Except the holodeck was actually introduced in TAS' "The Practical Joker."
Right. I think the poster's point was not that the holodeck concept was anachronistic, having been introduced in "The Practical Joker" (and in the book The Making of Star Trek years before that, for that matter). I think the point was that the completely plausible holodeck technology and scene with Paladin from "have Gun, Will Travel" didn't really have any dramatic purpose in the story. It's not like they ended up giving Apollo a holographic home or something. I think people might have been waiting for Checkov's Gun to pay off. It never really did. I guess it was just an appetizer that was unrelated to the main course. (I guess people can decide if that spoils the meal for them or not.)
The seems an announcement (like having a counselor), "Hey we're the next year of adventures: things are a bit upgraded and this is how you end up at TNG."

And yes, my daughter was expecting a holodeck realm of worshipers for ol' Apollo. I am glad it wasn't Chekhov's gun, as I find those lame. I'm actually fine with seeing a bit of life on the ship unrelated to the main story.
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