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Old June 2 2013, 09:46 PM   #211
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Re: Matt Smith's Departure Confirmed.

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Why do they always mention female doctors. If he has been regenerating 11 times as a male. I don't think he is going to all the sudden change his mind. Then again who knows.

I was saving this up for a massive rant on my blog but I'll vent here as I've seen it suggested everywhere today.

I'd fucking hate a female Doctor. New Who has routinely shown women live life as consequence-free bitches that treat men like total shit, while the guys eat it up like pussies. See Mickey and Rory. Captain Jack is the only strong male character we've seen, and this is likely due to his general lack of interest in women.

Having a female Doctor would just cement everything I hate about the gender politics in New Who. No doubt she'd be sexually aggressive in a way that any guy would be considered a rapist by society for behaving.

I look at River Song, and I see exactly how a female Doctor would be written. Fuck, fuck, fuck no. I bet a female Dotor would be able to slap the male companion with total impunity.
Holy shit.

Holy holy holy shit.

Stop posting this crap. Full stop, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:57 PM   #212
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Can I say I disagree with Dalekjim. Everyone keeps leaving my quote in there so I figure I would just say this once. Nor do I want to be part of a on going annoying bitchfest.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:03 PM   #213
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Holy shit.

Holy holy holy shit.

Stop posting this crap. Full stop, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
What forum rule have I broken exactly? Not being difficult, would just like to know as it felt like I was just expressing a minority opinion?

Wouldn't it be better if people just debated my points instead of just telling me to shut up? Or maybe I'm being completely unreasonable here?
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Old June 2 2013, 10:10 PM   #214
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Was chatting with a chap at my bookclub meeting yesterday. We bemoaned the downturn in the quality of recent Who,
Strange, you must've been watching a different show than. The Doctor Who series I've been watching has never been better!

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Old June 2 2013, 10:13 PM   #215
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Some of the episodes feel too constrained by making them fit into 1 episode.
Agreed, that's my one complaint with the most recent series.

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Old June 2 2013, 10:15 PM   #216
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If he were to regenerate maybe he will become a redhead finally. I saw someone mention Rupert Grint (ron weasley) in one of the Doctor Who facebook page. He was not bad in Harry Potter (which probably would elminate him for Doctor Who since he would be well known) movies, even though they make Ron more of a punch line then anything else.

I do like the idea of using an unknown (well not widely known) for doctor who.

So do we actually know that he is leaving during the christmas special or is he going to have some episodes in 2014? I will miss him so much. : )
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Old June 2 2013, 10:20 PM   #217
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I'd love a female Doctor but I don't think Moffat is particularly adept at writing for women. RTD's women companions tended to be much better developed and well-rounded. Moffat's women all act in the exact same way which gets grating from time to time. I really enjoy Moffat's writing but his writing for women tends to be a flaw.

No idea about this women mistreating men in Doctor Who, though. If anything, the Doctor seems to mistreat them considering how they often come to rather negative ends...
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Old June 2 2013, 10:25 PM   #218
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DalekJim wrote: View Post
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Why do they always mention female doctors. If he has been regenerating 11 times as a male. I don't think he is going to all the sudden change his mind. Then again who knows.

I was saving this up for a massive rant on my blog but I'll vent here as I've seen it suggested everywhere today.

I'd fucking hate a female Doctor. New Who has routinely shown women live life as consequence-free bitches that treat men like total shit, while the guys eat it up like pussies. See Mickey and Rory. Captain Jack is the only strong male character we've seen, and this is likely due to his general lack of interest in women.

Having a female Doctor would just cement everything I hate about the gender politics in New Who. No doubt she'd be sexually aggressive in a way that any guy would be considered a rapist by society for behaving.

I look at River Song, and I see exactly how a female Doctor would be written. Fuck, fuck, fuck no. I bet a female Dotor would be able to slap the male companion with total impunity.
Yep, that's how New Who (and probably modern TV culture in general) views how women ought to be. Remember in The Eleventh Hour when Rory was like "Aren't you going to turn around?" to Amy while the Doctor was changing his clothes and she said "Och aye, nooo! Ahm takin' a wee look at his winkie!" If the gender roles were reversed there'd be big complaints, but instead we were clearly meant to think "What a sassy likeable female character!" River Song was exactly the same character. Clara probably would have been if she'd been given a whole personality.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:55 PM   #219
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Re: Matt Smith's Departure Confirmed.

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Why do they always mention female doctors. If he has been regenerating 11 times as a male. I don't think he is going to all the sudden change his mind. Then again who knows.

I was saving this up for a massive rant on my blog but I'll vent here as I've seen it suggested everywhere today.

I'd fucking hate a female Doctor. New Who has routinely shown women live life as consequence-free bitches that treat men like total shit, while the guys eat it up like pussies. See Mickey and Rory. Captain Jack is the only strong male character we've seen, and this is likely due to his general lack of interest in women.

Having a female Doctor would just cement everything I hate about the gender politics in New Who. No doubt she'd be sexually aggressive in a way that any guy would be considered a rapist by society for behaving.

I look at River Song, and I see exactly how a female Doctor would be written. Fuck, fuck, fuck no. I bet a female Dotor would be able to slap the male companion with total impunity.
Yep, that's how New Who (and probably modern TV culture in general) views how women ought to be. Remember in The Eleventh Hour when Rory was like "Aren't you going to turn around?" to Amy while the Doctor was changing his clothes and she said "Och aye, nooo! Ahm takin' a wee look at his winkie!" If the gender roles were reversed there'd be big complaints, but instead we were clearly meant to think "What a sassy likeable female character!" River Song was exactly the same character. Clara probably would have been if she'd been given a whole personality.

Oh yeah, that's definitely a double-standard - if the genders had been reversed, people would have called the peeping male "a creep" and "a potential rapist". Though there was kinda a comparable scene with reversed-genders in the new Star Trek movie, with Carol Marcus changing in front of Kirk, and I don't know if there were a lot of complaints about Kirk being a creep - but it wouldn't surprise me if there were. Another possible double standard is all the complaints about the near-nudity in that scene - when male characters in the nuTrek movies have been near-naked, and there were no complaints.

But there are double-standards and twisted standards in the media and popular culture that effect both sexes. In fact, the complaints about the Carol Marcus scene in Trek, but not about any of the half-naked male scenes, may be a bit of a double standard...but the fact that Hollywood thinks that all female main characters have to be "sexy", and look good in their skivvies, is a bit of a sexist and unfair standard to hold women too. Hell, that whole scene in Into Darkness was a bit...gratuitous...and was obviously put there to titillate, appeal to and attract the young male audience.

I don't think you can say that the media and popular culture have been more or less fair to one sex than they have been to the other sex.

ANYWAY, I'd be cool with a female Doctor...if just to see the part of the fanbase that includes people like DalekJim and all the others that just can't STAND the idea of a female Doctor go ballistic. All those people who swear LOUDLY that they will "NEVER WATCH DOCTOR WHO AGAIN IF THE DOCTOR BECOMES FEMALE!!!" - good riddance to 'em!

Seriously, what's wrong with a female Doctor. It would probably be only for one regeneration anyway. And if it didn't work out - well, it's Doctor Who, they can just regenerate the actress back out of the part.

It just seems like a...childish and immature detail to complain about.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:58 PM   #220
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ANYWAY, I'd be cool with a female Doctor...if just to see the part of the fanbase that includes people like DalekJim and all the others that just can't STAND the idea of a female Doctor go ballistic. All those people who swear LOUDLY that they will "NEVER WATCH DOCTOR WHO AGAIN IF THE DOCTOR BECOMES FEMALE!!!" - good riddance to 'em!
What are you talking about? Doctor Who is my favourite show and I have at no point threatened to quit watching.

Seriously, what's wrong with a female Doctor.
I don't think Moffat would write her well. I've explained it a bunch of times. I just don't see how it's worth the risk, how it really adds to the character, or how it is anything but a corny gimmick and a patronising attempt at political correctness. If that makes me sexist then so be it. I act the same when people request a female James Bond. I just don't get liberals a lot of the time.

Nobody of consequence is offended by The Doctor being male. Why cater to those that are? Why aim the show at such people? Why?
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Old June 2 2013, 11:07 PM   #221
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Okay. Make the Doctor gay next time around and let him go on a search for another Adrik.
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Old June 2 2013, 11:09 PM   #222
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ANYWAY, I'd be cool with a female Doctor...if just to see the part of the fanbase that includes people like DalekJim and all the others that just can't STAND the idea of a female Doctor go ballistic. All those people who swear LOUDLY that they will "NEVER WATCH DOCTOR WHO AGAIN IF THE DOCTOR BECOMES FEMALE!!!" - good riddance to 'em!
What are you talking about? Doctor Who is my favourite show and I have at no point threatened to quit watching.
You haven't - but a lot of people have, every time the issue of a female Doctor comes up.

Frankly, I don't think that we will get a female Doctor, it's too "controversial"...but really, I think it's mostly male fans who have never dated or had a real relationship with a woman that have issues with the idea of a female Doctor.

I'm a male, I like being a male, I've even consider myself a member of "the men's movement", and I do agree that the sometimes - many times - the media and a fringe branch of feminism demonize men. But I've kinda gotten away with identifying with the men's movement and the "men's rights movement", not because I don't believe in it anymore (far from it) but because it's been taken over by a bunch of ranting, immature, butthurt men who think that anytime a women makes any progress in society breaking through the glass ceiling it's somehow an assault on their masculinity. And they rant on about how ALL feminists are "feminazi" man-haters out to denigrate all of manhood, yadda-yadda. You may not be a member of the men's movement or the men's right's movement - but your ranting sounds very familiar...

Let me ask, do you date much?
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Old June 2 2013, 11:09 PM   #223
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ANYWAY, I'd be cool with a female Doctor...if just to see the part of the fanbase that includes people like DalekJim and all the others that just can't STAND the idea of a female Doctor go ballistic. All those people who swear LOUDLY that they will "NEVER WATCH DOCTOR WHO AGAIN IF THE DOCTOR BECOMES FEMALE!!!" - good riddance to 'em!
What are you talking about? Doctor Who is my favourite show and I have at no point threatened to quit watching.

Seriously, what's wrong with a female Doctor.
I don't think Moffat would write her well. I've explained it a bunch of times. I just don't see how it's worth the risk, how it really adds to the character, or how it is anything but a corny gimmick and a patronising attempt at political correctness. If that makes me sexist then so be it. I act the same when people request a female James Bond. I just don't get liberals a lot of the time.

Nobody of consequence is offended by The Doctor being male. Why cater to those that are? Why aim the show at such people? Why?
It's not about offending people, it's about creating new stories to keep the show fresh. Anyway, it's pretty difficult to complain or judge something that may not even happen this time anyway. It's the same thing people have been complaining about and worrying about for years, and no matter who is picked, people will worry and whine about it.
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Old June 2 2013, 11:13 PM   #224
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Frankly, I don't think that we will get a female Doctor, it's too "controversial"...but really, I think it's mostly male fans who have never dated or had a real relationship with a woman that have issues with the idea of a female Doctor.
Or maybe they just uh.. don't want their favourite lead character on television to be reduced by a tacky, gawdy, headline grabbing gimmick. It's such a naff idea for a publicity stunt, curse JNT for ever saying it at that press conference.

Let me ask, do you date much?
None of your fucking business?
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Old June 2 2013, 11:22 PM   #225
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I would love a female Doctor. I could see it succeeding and being a lot of fun. I mean, imagine if Jenny hadn't just been around for one episode...that gives us a clue. But I'd just say that Moffat would have to leave or they have to get more female writers in, or otherwise she'll end up like River, with insufferable smugness.
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