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Old June 2 2013, 08:29 PM   #196
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The new series does a lot of things that weren't in the classic series (and vice versa). the classic series used to be in black and white as well...
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Old June 2 2013, 08:31 PM   #197
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Filming in black and white wasn't a creative decision, it was a technical limitation. The gender politics in New Who could stand to be severely improved.

It was the same thing with Sally and Larry's relationship in Blink too.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:40 PM   #198
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Filming in black and white wasn't a creative decision, it was a technical limitation.
More like a financial limitation.

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The gender politics in New Who could stand to be severely improved.

It was the same thing with Sally and Larry's relationship in Blink too.
Oddly enough I have no problems with how men and women portrayed in DW.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:42 PM   #199
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Well, I do and if people would rather block me than have their opinions mildly challenged then so be it.

Think Clara is awesome but I'd definitely lose the stock Moffat flirty banter next series. It's just tired.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:45 PM   #200
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My quarrel isn't merely with the portrayal of men or women, but the portrayal of their relationships and interaction. It is found throughout Moffat's work, in Coupling and even Jekyll. There is a definite "battle of the sexes" edge to it that was not in the classic series.

River is modern feminism warped beyond belief. She seems constantly out to humiliate men, both sexually and emotionally. In no way would I ever describe Mickey and Rose's, Amy and Rory's or River and The Doctor's relationships as remotely healthy. All feature a woman humiliating a man while the man is expected to just take it. If people think that's alright, or that there is no trend, then so be it. But I strongly disagree.
River isn't "feminism", she's a "psychopath". There IS a big difference. She does what she wants, when she wants, and she doesn't recognize any authority, even the Doctor's.

And no, the Doctor and his companions aren't going to have "healthy" relationships. He's a madman with a box. He picks out people who have problems for various reasons and then gets them into a ton of trouble. He's the ultimate "Peter Pan". Also, healthy relationships are boring and don't make for great drama. And the men don't just "take it". The Doctor needs friends to help keep him in check, and the other guys are jealous because they are worried that they can't compete with the Doctor. He is, essentially, using his companions to keep from being lonely, but in the end, he always loses them.

Why do they punch or slap each other? Because it's what the audience wants and it's funny.

You say you want a "realistic" portrayal of a female companion. So, what is "realistic" if you don't consider a relationship with a strong woman normal?
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Old June 2 2013, 08:46 PM   #201
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My quarrel isn't merely with the portrayal of men or women, but the portrayal of their relationships and interaction. It is found throughout Moffat's work, in Coupling and even Jekyll. There is a definite "battle of the sexes" edge to it that was not in the classic series.
The Atlantic took a look at Moffat's gender politics in Who a few months ago, and they chart it going back to "The Girl in the Fireplace." I think part of the problem is that Moffat's characters are more plot puzzles than characters.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:49 PM   #202
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Why do they punch or slap each other? Because it's what the audience wants and it's funny.
They don't punch or slap each other. Women hit the men and it's just meant to be funny and acceptable. In a show that is otherwise incredibly preachy about morals, it rubs me up the wrong way entirely seeing the hypocrisy on display.

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Old June 2 2013, 08:52 PM   #203
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Why do they punch or slap each other? Because it's what the audience wants and it's funny.
They don't punch or slap each other. Women hit the men.
You act as if this were a DW-staple.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:57 PM   #204
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You act as if this were a DW-staple.
What? In New Who it inarguably is. Hell, the companion's mother slapping The Doctor was a dumb recurring gag in the RTD era.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:03 PM   #205
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You act as if this were a DW-staple.
What? In New Who it inarguably is. Hell, the companion's mother slapping The Doctor was a dumb recurring gag in the RTD era.
I can't think of a moment where the Doctor didn't have it coming. I'm surprised that Rory didn't deck him regularly.

The Doctor can be an arse, he surrounds himself with women - of course they kick him in nuts from time to time, deservedly so.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:11 PM   #206
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I can't think of a moment where the Doctor didn't have it coming.
Wow. Well uh, we have very different attitudes towards what behaviour deserves physical violence as a response.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:19 PM   #207
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It seems I've been watching a different show than some people here. When did a woman hit a man? I honestly can't remember any of those scenes.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:23 PM   #208
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Why do they punch or slap each other? Because it's what the audience wants and it's funny.
They don't punch or slap each other. Women hit the men and it's just meant to be funny and acceptable. In a show that is otherwise incredibly preachy about morals, it rubs me up the wrong way entirely seeing the hypocrisy on display.

"Make the foundation of this society the man THAT NEVER WOULD... stand up for himself."
And when Rory punches the Doctor? Or when the Doctor does actually deserve it? (snogging Jenny being case in point) what about then?
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Old June 2 2013, 09:23 PM   #209
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I can't think of a moment where the Doctor didn't have it coming.
Wow. Well uh, we have very different attitudes towards what behaviour deserves physical violence as a response.
You're taking this way too seriously. It's a tv show, not the next door neighbors. People get away with all sorts of things on tv that they don't get away with in real life. People should be smart enough to know that they shouldn't emulate what they see on tv. I'm not going to start blaming entertainment for problems in the real world, and I'm not going to strip down entertainment because of it. If I see it in a comedic moment on tv, I laugh. If I see someone abusing someone in front of me on the street, I call the cops. It's that simple. I'm not confusing one with the other.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:30 PM   #210
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It seems I've been watching a different show than some people here. When did a woman hit a man? .
Never happened apparently. Best to move on with the thread.
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