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Old June 2 2013, 01:21 AM   #106
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Allow me to test my memory of Trek, here: Yesterday's Enterprise ?
I did find a couple of other instances in TNG after I posted, but "Yesterday's Enterprise" is the one I had in mind.
Gosh, I'm good for remembering useless trivia !
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Old June 2 2013, 01:35 AM   #107
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How can anyone confuse a hull with a nacelle?
Probably the same way people confuse space ships with boats. Strictly speaking, starships should have a fuselage, not a hull.

By this logic, the Enterprise is nothing but nacelles.
Or a hull (saucer) with three nacelles.
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Old June 2 2013, 01:37 AM   #108
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You posited that the engineering hull can be referred to as a nacelle. The line in ST12 is "behind the aft nacelle" My point was that if the engineering/secondary hull were the nacelle in question, then behind it would be in space.
Ever heard the phrase "wash behind your ears?"
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Old June 2 2013, 02:50 AM   #109
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Speaking of Chrissie's/Chakoteya's site for a moment: has anyone had trouble accessing that site lately - say, over the last three months or so? Other than the odd temporary downtime, I've been using the site for years without issue, but since February or early March, my browser has crashed immediately every time I click on a link or bookmark to go there. Kinda frustrating, as it's been a very useful resource.
I've been using the site for years also, and have noticed the same thing as you. Unfortunately, it is one of the only online resources for trek transcripts. I know it would be a lot of work, but i may just spend some time copying the transcripts to my pc so i have them, just in case. Whe i made my Voyager 47 video, the transcripts turned what could have been a daunting task into one of the easiest compilation vids Ive ever made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPoiH0JlQ9A
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Old June 2 2013, 03:00 AM   #110
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Historically speaking and back in the old days (you know the 60's and 70's) the star ship nomenclature always referred to the main sections of the Enterprise as being Primary and Secondary Hull.
Referred to as such in episode dialogue, or in material not presented on-screen?
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Old June 2 2013, 03:23 AM   #111
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I don't know why; because im bored i guess...



You have no idea how much that's making me laugh right now. Good one!
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Old June 2 2013, 03:58 AM   #112
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Not to beat a dead horse, but...

From the Star Fleet Technical Manual (Franz Joseph)





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You have no idea how much that's making me laugh right now. Good one!
Thanks. I laughed the whole time i was making it
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Old June 2 2013, 10:26 AM   #113
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Not to beat a dead horse, but...

From the Star Fleet Technical Manual (Franz Joseph)
Official material only, please. Fan-made stuff doesn't count.
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Old June 2 2013, 12:12 PM   #114
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Official material only, please. Fan-made stuff doesn't count.
I'll assume you're joking, here.

I agree the Starfleet tech manual is considered fan-ish, and is defiantly non-canonical. It was published back in the 70's by a German named Frans Joseph, who wasn't a fan and had nothing to do with Star Trek. He was a technical artist and his Trekkie daughter and her friends begged him to do up drawings for them of phasers and ship schematics etc. Eventually he had done so many that he decided to publish them.

It's interesting tho because years later 3 of his made-up star-ships were mentioned in The Motion Picture, including his registry numbers. Then in Wrath of Khan, they used one of his ship schematics on-screen. Same for Search for Spock and Undiscovered Country. Images from the manual even showed up in TNG, including the image I posted above:

TNG "Datalore"
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Old June 2 2013, 12:49 PM   #115
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Beat That Horse!....It is what it was.......
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Old June 2 2013, 12:51 PM   #116
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Old June 2 2013, 03:08 PM   #117
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This is epic stuff, now, guys. Epic stuff.
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Old June 2 2013, 03:40 PM   #118
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I don't think that even real people operating real starships will ever get a pass from us. STID had several big blunders, Khan misusing a word in dialogue where everyone was on edge is hardly a problem.

For all we know, "behind the aft nacelle" could be correctly identifying a place on the ship without making sense to us. Maybe the warp nacelle on the smaller ships like the Kelvin was called an aft nacelle, and "behind" meant behind the place of attachment, and Khan incorrectly used it to refer to the place where the secondary hull was attached to the primary hull. Or maybe he fucked up his sentence just like the writer who wrote his line, and correcting yourself in a middle of a treat is not the right place to do it.

Or whatever. I don't even hear what he says.
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Old June 2 2013, 04:07 PM   #119
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I don't think that even real people operating real starships will ever get a pass from us. STID had several big blunders, Khan misusing a word in dialogue where everyone was on edge is hardly a problem.

For all we know, "behind the aft nacelle" could be correctly identifying a place on the ship without making sense to us. Maybe the warp nacelle on the smaller ships like the Kelvin was called an aft nacelle, and "behind" meant behind the place of attachment, and Khan incorrectly used it to refer to the place where the secondary hull was attached to the primary hull. Or maybe he fucked up his sentence just like the writer who wrote his line, and correcting yourself in a middle of a treat is not the right place to do it.

Or whatever. I don't even hear what he says.
I guess the assumption is that Khan should know what he's talking about -- and that if some error is made when issuing a basic threat, it tends to diminish the power of said threat; even when the other characters proceed as normal (because they're as dumb as Khan is).

I dunno. This mistake isn't really that big of a deal, per se, but it's quite revealing when lumped in with everything else about the quality and scope of thinking behind this film (and the previous one), IMO. It's almost like the writers put various Star Trek terms into a blender or some simple computer program and just went with whatever emerged. If it sounded passable, they made it a "go".
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Old June 2 2013, 04:10 PM   #120
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There's a bit of irony there...if we're to assume that Khan should know what he's talking about, then why don't we assume Khan knows what he's talking about?
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