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Old June 2 2013, 03:33 AM   #31
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Re: One Year Gap (spoilers, kinda)

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I don't think there was anything ambiguous about Kirk's "one year ago" at all. He plainly said that the previous events of STID had occurred a year before the final scene.
^This. He describes how they are paying homage to those who lost their lives a year ago. Only the fan-wankiest of fans could re-interpret such a clear reference.
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Old June 2 2013, 04:05 AM   #32
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I've seen the movie three times and I'm still not certain if the "one year ago" was in reference to the events of STID or to Kirk's reciting the captain's oath before Pike.
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Old June 2 2013, 05:30 AM   #33
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Kirk's speech was this:

"There will always be those who mean to do us harm. To stop them, we risk awakening the same evil within ourselves.

Our first instinct is to seek revenge when those we love are taken from us. But that's not who we are.

We are here today to rechristen the USS Enterprise, and to honor those who lost their lives nearly one year ago.

When Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the captain's oath. Words I didn't appreciate at the time. Now, I see them as a call for us to remember who we once were, and who we must be again."

He's definitely referring to the events of Into Darkness as happening "nearly one year ago." The part about Pike and the captains oath is a distinctly separate sentence.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:14 AM   #34
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Yep, saw it yesterday, that is indeed how it is said.
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Old June 2 2013, 01:26 PM   #35
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Kirk's speech was this:

"There will always be those who mean to do us harm. To stop them, we risk awakening the same evil within ourselves.

Our first instinct is to seek revenge when those we love are taken from us. But that's not who we are.

We are here today to rechristen the USS Enterprise, and to honor those who lost their lives nearly one year ago.

When Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the captain's oath. Words I didn't appreciate at the time. Now, I see them as a call for us to remember who we once were, and who we must be again."

He's definitely referring to the events of Into Darkness as happening "nearly one year ago." The part about Pike and the captains oath is a distinctly separate sentence.
Thing is, to me anyway, Chris Pine's delivery kind of makes it sound like:

"We are here today to rechristen the USS Enterprise, and to honor those who lost their lives. Nearly one year ago, when Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the captain's oath..."

Indeed, since IDW seems to be unaware of a year's gap, perhaps they too were confused? Although, in their case, you'd think the script would be made available and the way the speech was written would make it clear what was meant to be said.
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Old June 2 2013, 01:52 PM   #36
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Thing is, to me anyway, Chris Pine's delivery kind of makes it sound like:

"We are here today to rechristen the USS Enterprise, and to honor those who lost their lives. Nearly one year ago, when Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the captain's oath..."
No.
The other version up-thread is correct.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:09 PM   #37
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Thing is, to me anyway, Chris Pine's delivery kind of makes it sound like:

"We are here today to rechristen the USS Enterprise, and to honor those who lost their lives. Nearly one year ago, when Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the captain's oath..."
No.
The other version up-thread is correct.
I'm not disputing which one is correct. I'm just saying the way it's delivered can cause confusion, and clearly has.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:23 PM   #38
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Thing is, to me anyway, Chris Pine's delivery kind of makes it sound like:

"We are here today to rechristen the USS Enterprise, and to honor those who lost their lives. Nearly one year ago, when Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the captain's oath..."
No.
The other version up-thread is correct.
I'm not disputing which one is correct. I'm just saying the way it's delivered can cause confusion, and clearly has.
There is a lot going on in that movie. You can miss the most obvious things, like Khan being the one who cripples the Enterprise so that she loses all her power.

But the delivery of that line doesn't cause any confusion.
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Old June 2 2013, 03:35 PM   #39
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There was simply no way they could've refitted the Enterprise in a week. Which is all the time they would've had if we go with the interpretation that the speech was one year after the first film.
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Old June 2 2013, 04:14 PM   #40
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Re: One Year Gap (spoilers, kinda)

When I saw the film the first time, I thought Kirk was talking about the events of the 2009 film. If you don't want to read into/believe that interpretation, that's your right to do so. But I do believe it is ambiguous, after having seen the film again. That being said, the IDW timeline on the website has a couple of issues that need fixing.

Maybe Orci can clarify it (or not).
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Old June 2 2013, 04:25 PM   #41
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I don't think it's ambiguous, especially when you look at all the time related dialogue in the film.
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Old June 2 2013, 04:30 PM   #42
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There is a lot going on in that movie. You can miss the most obvious things, like Khan being the one who cripples the Enterprise so that she loses all her power.

But the delivery of that line doesn't cause any confusion.
I missed that - how and where does he do it?
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Old June 2 2013, 05:24 PM   #43
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There is a lot going on in that movie. You can miss the most obvious things, like Khan being the one who cripples the Enterprise so that she loses all her power.

But the delivery of that line doesn't cause any confusion.
I missed that - how and where does he do it?
After he beams Kirk, Dr. Marcus and Scotty back to the Enterprise.
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Old June 2 2013, 06:51 PM   #44
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there had been a lot of victims in the 2009 movie too, a whole planet destroyed plus all the spaceships Nero destroyed. We never saw a scene where they were remembering those victims so couldn't Kirk be talking about ALL the victims, past and present? Also would they have Pike's (along with all the other victims) funeral one year after his death?
IDK but the explanation that Kirk could be talking about the battle of vulcan + recent events makes sense to me. Also the idea of him growing up as a captain in the last year.

Honestly the one year gap doesn't make so much sense to me. What the characters did in that year? Are we supposed to know, at all? It's just weird.

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The comics aren't 'canon' so they can say what they like. But one week after the movie is one week after Kirk sets out on the 5 year mission which is a year after 'The Vengeance' crashed into San Fran.

I don't think its Fan Wank to want to sort out the dates though, just to be obsessed about them. I prefer the term fanon which I learnt here.
they aren't canon but they're super-visioned and controlled by Orci who considers them sort of canon for this very reason.

The novelization by Alan Dean foster doesn't have this one year gab either and it's based on a draft of the script (though not all the scenes are accurate and there are some missing things but those can be explained with a) Alan making his own writing choices b) scenes that were in the most definitive draft that Alan didn't have c) scenes being put in the notes or alternate scenes)

I read some people over trekmovie asking the writers about this but either I missed it or Orci didn't answer.



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Indeed, since IDW seems to be unaware of a year's gap, perhaps they too were confused? Although, in their case, you'd think the script would be made available and the way the speech was written would make it clear what was meant to be said.
If not the script surely Orci would tell them about it.
The first comic has a scene with Robert April and one with the klingons talking about Kirk and it's pretty obvious from the way the events are depicted that there isn't a one year gab from a to b. Weeks, months? acceptavble but one whole year without nothing happening in the mean time and things beings still the same? not believable to me.
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Old June 2 2013, 07:00 PM   #45
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Kirk was obviously taking refresher courses on the Prime Directive and Report Writing.
More like re-writing those text books.
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