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Old June 2 2013, 02:00 AM   #121
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Re: STAR TREK: a series treatment starring APRIL and COLT

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nah. i think it's good advice. in fact, i think i have far less leverage in a traditional approach.
You've created a legal minefield that CBS simply won't touch. If someone here gives you advice that you incorporate into your "series", they can sue both you and CBS for creator credits and cash.

You doomed yourself the moment you clicked 'Submit New Thread'.
i disagree, and feel that every approach of mine can be managed/mitigated.
If you really think that, then you're wrong.

If you're serious about being a professional screenwriter (forget Trek). Then were I you: I'd get my ass into a film business class, a writing class, and find an entertainment lawyer who will advice you on what you're dong wrong or audit a class on entertainment law.

He's right, you've nearly fucked yourself and you don't even see or want to admit it.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:00 AM   #122
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i have never pitched a script, but i have yet to try. but i've been a lobbyist, and i can study an path and find my way to my goals...and it's been a 'new years goal' of mine to get back to fiction writing, and elaborate upon ideas i've had in the hopper over the past 15-20 years.
I don't think the question is really about your ability but simply your outline.

i've got no shame in my reactions, either.
Here's another bit of advice, then: those reactions, in a professional environment, could cost you your victory.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:02 AM   #123
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Re: STAR TREK: a series treatment starring APRIL and COLT

As someone who deals with entertainment lawyers all the time, I have to say it's NOT a good idea to put work like this out in the public for a number of reasons. Lawyers and lawsuits are expensive, so most media companies won't touch anything where the ownership/authorship is even slightly questionable. It's simply not worth the risk. At best they'd go, "well, that kind of show might work, let's call [known successful producer in the genre] in to see if he has interest coming up with a show in that vein with our I.P." A writer in such a position has no recourse because a genre or type of show isn't something protected under Copyright, especially if it's something as vague as "a sitcom version of Lost In Space".
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Old June 2 2013, 02:05 AM   #124
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Re: STAR TREK: a series treatment starring APRIL and COLT

Thanks for the insight, Maurice.

I'm just curious what the point of this thread was?
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Old June 2 2013, 02:07 AM   #125
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A bit of advice I got ages back: Never compare your project to another project. The minute you say "Well my book(show) is like <other popular book/show>", you've already biased them to think you're ripping off someone else. You should be able to sell your work its merits, not by comparing it to other works.

Plus, how do you know they've seen Farscape or Lost In Space. How you know they've even seen Star Trek for that matter.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:08 AM   #126
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You doomed yourself the moment you clicked 'Submit New Thread'.
i disagree, and feel that every approach of mine can be managed/mitigated.[/QUOTE]

CBS legal might say otherwise.[/QUOTE]

yes, true, and when/if i have to, i (my attorney) will detail for them the entirety of my online self promotion efforts. there's a number of methods with which to protect myself and CBS. WGA registration was a step.

if it doesn't get bought, it simply doesn't get bought.
life goes on; i tried.

my story involves the use of Chris Pine et al, in time/age sensitive roles. if it doesn't stick, it goes away, or it finds another medium/format and licensing attempt.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:10 AM   #127
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Pocket Books (the current book license holder) simply won't touch anything that's been discussed in an online environment.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:11 AM   #128
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i have never pitched a script, but i have yet to try. but i've been a lobbyist, and i can study an path and find my way to my goals...and it's been a 'new years goal' of mine to get back to fiction writing, and elaborate upon ideas i've had in the hopper over the past 15-20 years.
I don't think the question is really about your ability but simply your outline.

i've got no shame in my reactions, either.
Here's another bit of advice, then: those reactions, in a professional environment, could cost you your victory.
i'd take that chance.
like i said, i stand by my reactions, and find no fault in them considering the dialogue i was responding to.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:11 AM   #129
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nah. i think it's good advice. in fact, i think i have far less leverage in a traditional approach.
Exactly what leverage do you think you have ? Star Trek is CBS' property.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:12 AM   #130
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A bit of advice I got ages back: Never compare your project to another project. The minute you say "Well my book(show) is like <other popular book/show>", you've already biased them to think you're ripping off someone else. You should be able to sell your work its merits, not by comparing it to other works.

Plus, how do you know they've seen Farscape or Lost In Space. How you know they've even seen Star Trek for that matter.
Lost in Space?
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Old June 2 2013, 02:13 AM   #131
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nah. i think it's good advice. in fact, i think i have far less leverage in a traditional approach.
Exactly what leverage do you think you have ? Star Trek is CBS' property.
i have the leverage of produceable material, and industry ins. it's not hard to do... but like i said, it's more than 99% provide.

CBS owning Star Trek is nothing new to me.

i'm presenting a ton of spec work (for free), which seen by the right eyes, may ring as an opportunity.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:13 AM   #132
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You doomed yourself the moment you clicked 'Submit New Thread'.
i disagree, and feel that every approach of mine can be managed/mitigated.
CBS legal might say otherwise.
yes, true, and when/if i have to, i (my attorney) will detail for them the entirety of my online self promotion efforts. there's a number of methods with which to protect myself and CBS. WGA registration was a step.

if it doesn't get bought, it simply doesn't get bought.
life goes on; i tried.

my story involves the use of Chris Pine et al, in time/age sensitive roles. if it doesn't stick, it goes away, or it finds another medium/format and licensing attempt.
You need an entertainment law and film writing class badly.

And never think "If I need a lawyer" in this business. Just assume from the get go you'll need one. Talk to a few that specialize in entertainment law and copyright. Fine one you like and is in your price range and put his number in your phone in case you have to call him up and hire him.

You can't write spec banking on a set specific actors. Pine may not want to go back to TV, he might not want to be Kirk after the next movie. You never bank your story on the casting.

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nah. i think it's good advice. in fact, i think i have far less leverage in a traditional approach.
Exactly what leverage do you think you have ? Star Trek is CBS' property.
i have the leverage of produceable material, and industry ins. it's not hard to do... but like i said, it's more than 99% provide.

CBS owning Star Trek is nothing new to me.

i'm presenting a ton of spec work (for free), which seen by the right eyes, may ring as an opportunity.
You and about every other asshole wannabe knocking of their door. You've got the cliche and nothng special.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:14 AM   #133
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The entertainment lawyer I work with started at Troma and more recently cleared a lot of IP for use in Wreck-It Ralph, so I suspect he's got some cred in this field.
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A bit of advice I got ages back: Never compare your project to another project. The minute you say "Well my book(show) is like <other popular book/show>", you've already biased them to think you're ripping off someone else. You should be able to sell your work its merits, not by comparing it to other works.

Plus, how do you know they've seen Farscape or Lost In Space. How you know they've even seen Star Trek for that matter.
Lost in Space?
The show...? You DO know there was a show called Lost in Space, right? Or am I misinterpreting your question?
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You can't write spec banking on a set specific actors. Pine may not want to go back to TV, he might not want to be Kirk after the next movie. You never bank your story on the casting.
How dare you question zekkie! He's got it all figured out!
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