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Old June 1 2013, 09:46 PM   #31
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Re: STAR TREK: a series treatment starring APRIL and COLT

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Well at least I gave it a read.

Commanded by Captain Robert APRIL, and documented by his bookkeeper, COLT, these two characters will encounter the discontinuity and be tasked to restore the Star Trek universe to PRIMETIME.
I don't think that's a good idea. First off, only big fans of Trek care about the previous timeline(s). Second, do you really want a series that strives to restore what was abandoned four years ago ? The whole point of the reboot was to do away with all that. I don't see CBS wanting to go back on all this.

I also don't think CBS cares about previous plot holes or about "Roddenberry's vision". The treatment gives way too much minutiae about Trek that, again, they will just skip over, in my opinion.

Also, most of your 'cast' appears North-American or caucasian, quite far from Roddenberry's vision.
in re: the previous time line... if a showrunner can present an idea that makes that issue irrelevant (meaning knowledge of the franchise and care for continuity while delivering quality material) it doesn't matter to 'new fans', while it appeases the 'old fans'. it isn't a matter of 'going back' on anything. i present an storyline that reconciles the two timelines. as well, the franchise wasn't re-booted necessarily. with a read of the non-movie Trek material, post 2009, you'll see that the franchise is working towards continuity reconciliation... EVERYONE connects to the "Hobus incident"/Genesis.

in re: the racial makeup of the cast... funny to me that you should think that. when approaching this project, i asked myself the exact question, "what would be the realistic racial breakdown of humanity in 2244," and began to pen accordingly. while it is true that the principles are 'white', one is British and the other a red-head, that is an story aspect that i am stuck with. APRIL was the first captain of the Enterprise, and COLT was his yeoman.

the tertiary characters, however, combat every aspect of racial (and age related) homogeneity.

the characters POOLE and SIMON are middle age women, Simon being close to elderly.

FLORIDA i have interpreted as Spanish.
SANEWAY has been characterized in continuity as Indian.
ALLINSKY i have interpreted as an older Jewish man.
PRESIDENT QSAR is represented as middle eastern.
and prominently
if you'll recall the races of the characters from continuity which my leads report to/are subordinate to
MORROW (STIII) and CARTWRIGHT (STIV,STVI) are black.
and Fleet Admiral NOGURA....

my casting directives (lead, guest, or regular) can be categorized as a age, gender, and racial 'balance'. more than any trek incarnation yet. with no "tokens."

i wanna see the show a hit worldwide, in part to the casting considerations.


thanks for bringing that up

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Old June 1 2013, 10:16 PM   #32
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Re: STAR TREK: a series treatment starring APRIL and COLT

Just FYI to any with interest: anyone can register a script with the WGA (all you need is an internet connection and the $25 registration fee), even non-members. All that means is that you have proof that you created it in the highly unlikely event someone were to steal it, unless you a Guild Member, in which case you can ask them to go to bat for you.

I skimmed the initial post, and I must say I hope this isn't an actual pitch document, because if so, it's not compelling. It's much too concerned with minutia that no TV exec is going to care about instead of leading with, "this is the show, these are the characters, there are the types of stories we'll be telling and here's why it'll be a success."
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Old June 1 2013, 10:24 PM   #33
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in re: the previous time line... if a showrunner can present an idea that makes that issue irrelevant (meaning knowledge of the franchise and care for continuity while delivering quality material) it doesn't matter to 'new fans', while it appeases the 'old fans'.
Your treatment seems to spend quite a bit of energy talking about it, so I assumed it was a selling point. If not, why mention it at all ?

it isn't a matter of 'going back' on anything. i present an storyline that reconciles the two timelines.
"Reconciles" ? Time was changed. There's nothing to reconciled: it's different now. And that is most definitely a fan perspective. Most viewers, and the studio, wouldn't care for that.

APRIL was the first captain of the Enterprise, and COLT was his yeoman.
This was never stated in canon, mind you.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:29 PM   #34
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Anything to do with Pike and/or April is better left to the realms of novels and comics. Why? Cause people don't care. They want Kirk and Spock; to a lesser extent Picard and Data. They want the characters that are part of the fabric of American pop-culture.
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Sounds expensive.

Pass.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:33 PM   #36
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Anything to do with Pike and/or April is better left to the realms of novels and comics. Why? Cause people don't care. They want Kirk and Spock; to a lesser extent Picard and Data. They want the characters that are part of the fabric of American pop-culture.
That's also true and something I forgot to mention.

The OP seems written for the poster, not for studio execs and certainly not with the general viewers in mind.

And a Trek sitcom ? And transitioning to the current movie cast seems like a fanboyish dream. At best you get guest appearances.

And if you really want to be obsessed with minutiae here, and assuming the Countdown To Darkness comics is "canon", Robert April was under the command of a different Enterprise twenty years before 2259, so the previously-established dates are all wrong, and THIS Enterprise is actually a brand new one (which is implied by the dialogue in ST09.)
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Old June 1 2013, 11:26 PM   #37
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Just FYI to any with interest: anyone can register a script with the WGA (all you need is an internet connection and the $25 registration fee), even non-members. All that means is that you have proof that you created it in the highly unlikely event someone were to steal it, unless you a Guild Member, in which case you can ask them to go to bat for you.

I skimmed the initial post, and I must say I hope this isn't an actual pitch document, because if so, it's not compelling. It's much too concerned with minutia that no TV exec is going to care about instead of leading with, "this is the show, these are the characters, there are the types of stories we'll be telling and here's why it'll be a success."
i appreciate criticism, but not veiled attempts at trying to paint me as a hack who has $25.

WGA registration is a necessary first step to have your document viewed by ANYONE. non-members can register and they should, after they make a writing attempt. this is the step that 99% of fandom misses, therefore...

i encourage everyone to take the time to write and register something; TRY. it's a noble effort to make an attempt at something you like.

and finally, no, this is not a cover letter, logline, pitch, script or synopsis. this is a treatment, which is a broader overview of the project and a document which accompanies those things.

sorry it's not compelling to you, but i find your criticism... well... not compelling. i think the allegory and characters will sit well with modern audiences. especially when the series that it morphs into is a raking a quarter million box office worldwide.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:27 PM   #38
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When the pitch said the show was going to be like Benson and Parks and Rec, I stopped reading. 1. Benson was on like 30 years ago. Who cares? 2. Benson and Parks and Rec have VERY different types of humor. Which is it?

And having 188 outlines stories? That's a bad idea. They don't care about that. They would want to know first season and ideas of the general direction of the remaining seasons. 188 outlined stories... what if about 25 in, things aren't working out...? All of those outlines are going to be dumped. Having that many outlined stories shows you are an amateur. If you were seriously pitching it, I wouldn't tell them that.

Besides, in order to actually pitch it, do you have an agent, or a manager? Have you produced television before?

They won't hand the keys over to a franchise to someone with little or no experience. The BEST you could hope for: they buy your idea, give you a created by credit, and hand the show over to an experience showrunner.

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WGA registration is a necessary first step to have your document viewed by ANYONE. non-members can register and they should, after they make a writing attempt. this is the step that 99% of fandom misses, therefore...
This isn't true. I haven't registered scripts in a long time. I've had plenty of meetings all over LA with studios and networks.


i encourage everyone to take the time to write and register something; TRY. it's a noble effort to make an attempt at something you like.
Dude. It's REALLY easy to write and register something. The registration is super easy. It's online. The writing of quality, yes, I agree, it's hard work.


and finally, no, this is not a cover letter, logline, pitch, script or synopsis. this is a treatment, which is a broader overview of the project and a document which accompanies those things.

sorry it's not compelling to you, but i find your criticism... well... not compelling. i think the allegory and characters will sit well with modern audiences. especially when the series that it morphs into is a raking a quarter million box office worldwide.
A quarter million box office? 250,000 dollars isn't very much. That's like... you can't even make a TV show for that. Do you mean quarter of a BILLION? 250 million dollars... that's about how much Into Darkness cost to make and advertise.
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this is a pitch, among many, that is WGA registered...
That and about four dollars will buy you a double tall mocha at Starbucks.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:32 PM   #40
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zekkie wrote: View Post
in re: the previous time line... if a showrunner can present an idea that makes that issue irrelevant (meaning knowledge of the franchise and care for continuity while delivering quality material) it doesn't matter to 'new fans', while it appeases the 'old fans'.
Your treatment seems to spend quite a bit of energy talking about it, so I assumed it was a selling point. If not, why mention it at all ?

it isn't a matter of 'going back' on anything. i present an storyline that reconciles the two timelines.
"Reconciles" ? Time was changed. There's nothing to reconciled: it's different now. And that is most definitely a fan perspective. Most viewers, and the studio, wouldn't care for that.

APRIL was the first captain of the Enterprise, and COLT was his yeoman.
This was never stated in canon, mind you.
the timeline can be reconciled. it's called inventive storytelling.
it involves the eventual use of Sarpedion as a plot device and that's all i can articulate.

APRIL was the first captain of the Enterprise.

that was the only thing of TAS that was accepted as actual canon. the rest of the characters are from the memory alpha and beta 'continuities' which i hope to bring into the franchise canon 'whole'. a stated objective in the treatment.

COLT's first posting within this expanded continuity--mind you, Trek licensed and paid for novels, etc--was under his command.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:33 PM   #41
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this is a pitch, among many, that is WGA registered...
That and about four dollars will buy you a double tall mocha at Starbucks.
show me yours, or show me one better, Buzzkill.
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Sounds expensive.

Pass.
not at all.

block shot.
no ensemble.
special reuse of stock effects.
use of already licensed properties.
under 2 million per. easy.
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Anything to do with Pike and/or April is better left to the realms of novels and comics. Why? Cause people don't care. They want Kirk and Spock; to a lesser extent Picard and Data. They want the characters that are part of the fabric of American pop-culture.
I want to give them Kirk and Spock, if you'll read a bit
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Admiral Buzzkill wrote: View Post
this is a pitch, among many, that is WGA registered...
That and about four dollars will buy you a double tall mocha at Starbucks.
show me yours, or show me one better, Buzzkill.
If I'm not mistaken he did write an episode of Next Generation.... that sounds pretty darn good...
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When the pitch said the show was going to be like Benson and Parks and Rec, I stopped reading. 1. Benson was on like 30 years ago. Who cares? 2. Benson and Parks and Rec have VERY different types of humor. Which is it?

And having 188 outlines stories? That's a bad idea. They don't care about that. They would want to know first season and ideas of the general direction of the remaining seasons. 188 outlined stories... what if about 25 in, things aren't working out...? All of those outlines are going to be dumped. Having that many outlined stories shows you are an amateur. If you were seriously pitching it, I wouldn't tell them that.

Besides, in order to actually pitch it, do you have an agent, or a manager? Have you produced television before?

They won't hand the keys over to a franchise to someone with little or no experience. The BEST you could hope for: they buy your idea, give you a created by credit, and hand the show over to an experience showrunner.

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WGA registration is a necessary first step to have your document viewed by ANYONE. non-members can register and they should, after they make a writing attempt. this is the step that 99% of fandom misses, therefore...
This isn't true. I haven't registered scripts in a long time. I've had plenty of meetings all over LA with studios and networks.


i encourage everyone to take the time to write and register something; TRY. it's a noble effort to make an attempt at something you like.
Dude. It's REALLY easy to write and register something. The registration is super easy. It's online. The writing of quality, yes, I agree, it's hard work.


and finally, no, this is not a cover letter, logline, pitch, script or synopsis. this is a treatment, which is a broader overview of the project and a document which accompanies those things.

sorry it's not compelling to you, but i find your criticism... well... not compelling. i think the allegory and characters will sit well with modern audiences. especially when the series that it morphs into is a raking a quarter million box office worldwide.
A quarter million box office? 250,000 dollars isn't very much. That's like... you can't even make a TV show for that. Do you mean quarter of a BILLION? 250 million dollars... that's about how much Into Darkness cost to make and advertise.
yes, i meant a quarter billion.

and it was no trouble at all to accumulate and outline 188 stories. do a little federation history research as hobby. none of this will turn out scrap, i can guarantee that. i've accounted for multiple potentialities, as stated, including novelization, and wherever i can take it. i can get this product licensed, it's just in superposition what medium it is presented

this has been a 'free time' project, and a joy to work on, regardless of outcome. it's prepared me for other cinematic projects, by learning teleplay format/storytelling and through making the connections, whilst i've been shopping it.

i'll make the largest effort i can, with the most leverage i have, to earn the role of showrunner, but i'm not that naive. i have names in mind in such a scenario. in fact, they are necessary.

and like i said to Buzzkill... show me yours or show me something better.

the criticism in this thread has basically amounted to equivocation, without review of the material.

and have some positivity folks (or at least constructive criticism). debbie downers, the lot of you, thus far lol

glad i've gotten my encouragement elsewhere
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