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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.33%
A 161 21.61%
A- 100 13.42%
B+ 82 11.01%
B 58 7.79%
B- 27 3.62%
C+ 40 5.37%
C 38 5.10%
C- 25 3.36%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.83%
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Old June 1 2013, 07:02 PM   #3976
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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If you are going to use elements from the prime reality, at least get the elements right. Khan was a Sikh. He governed a region of territory in either Africa or Asia. Instead, we get a Caucasian. This s**t was tolerable in the past; it's less so now. And, now, if the info is correct, we have another date point for the Eugenics War, these wars occurred in the 1950s. (300 years before 2259.)
Remarkably, I'm not giving a damn about this. Despite Khan being one of my faves from the old show and movies, I won't be judging this movie on how closely it follows them.

It's not as if, for example, the character was ever credibly portrayed as a Sikh anyway.
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^ That actually makes a bit of sense, since Khan was never particularly religious anyway. So they really couldn't portray him as an authentic Sikh, because Khan doesn't care about anything but power. His name may be Sikh-derived, but that's it. He doesn't observe any Sikh traditions that we're aware of. In fact he seems to go out of his way to avoid them.
He has the long hair (minus the turban, which all male Sikhs must wear as a covenant of their faith) and in the novels written by Greg Cox, he's based in Amritsar and dresses like one. So yeah, he's most likely still ethnically Indian, but it's obvious (to me at least) that he had plastic surgery, since he's still a wanted war criminal.

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Anybody else thinking that Khan is still alive so he can come back in 15 years to unleash his wrath on Kirk?
He still is, but he's probably frozen, and about to be placed on a robot ship and sent to a distant planet (along with his 'family') so that he can live in peace away from the rest of humanity, hopefully. Just like at the end of 'Space Seed'.
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Old June 1 2013, 09:54 PM   #3977
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He has the long hair (minus the turban, which all male Sikhs must wear as a covenant of their faith) and in the novels written by Greg Cox, he's based in Amritsar and dresses like one. So yeah, he's most likely still ethnically Indian, but it's obvious (to me at least) that he had plastic surgery, since he's still a wanted war criminal.
The irony here is, if anyone (as you've implied) around here is qualified to ordain someone as Khan, it's Greg Cox. And he's one of Cumby's biggest advocates.

That should be a lesson to everyone else.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:38 PM   #3978
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I know it's the in-thing at the moment to shit on old Trek but I can't agree that STID ups TWOK by introducing movie cliches and removing the element that made TWOK unique.
TWOK is unique ?
Yes?

The villain and the hero meeting up for traditional fisticuffs is bordering on the cliche these days
"These days" ?
Yes?
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Old June 1 2013, 10:49 PM   #3979
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I know it's the in-thing at the moment to shit on old Trek but I can't agree that STID ups TWOK by introducing movie cliches and removing the element that made TWOK unique.
TWOK is unique ?
Yes?

The villain and the hero meeting up for traditional fisticuffs is bordering on the cliche these days
"These days" ?
Yes?
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Old June 1 2013, 10:55 PM   #3980
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Yes?

Yes?
Ok, in what way is TWOK "unique", then ?

And I don't know how old you are, but this cliché you talked about is far from recent.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:58 PM   #3981
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Ok, in what way is TWOK "unique", then ?
In that the protagonist and antagonist never actually meet up. Yes, there are other movies in which this happens but we're talking relative to other action/adventure movies.

And I don't know how old you are, but this cliché you talked about is far from recent.
Pretty much my point. In fact, it was cliché in 1982, hence TWOK's 'uniqueness' for breaking the mold.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:01 PM   #3982
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In that the protagonist and antagonist never actually meet up. Yes, there are other movies in which this happens but we're talking relative to other action/adventure movies.
You didn't specify that, but I wasn't expecting TWOK to be literally "unique" in any regard.

Pretty much my point. In fact, it was cliché in 1982, hence TWOK's 'uniqueness' for breaking the mold.
Hell, it was cliché in the 40s. So basically, that was my point. "These days" was misleading.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:02 PM   #3983
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I wasn't expecting to be taken literally.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:25 PM   #3984
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That's so much nonsense.

Kirk doesn't fight Khan because the actors' schedules didn't work out. Earlier versions of the script had them fighting it out.

Yep, it's customary for adversaries in a movie/tv series/book/whatever to face one another. That's neither a "trend" nor a "cliche," just an old, old facet of traditional storytelling. The folks who made TWOK were clever at working around their problem successfully, but painting it three decades later as some kind of innovation for which the movie deserves special recognition (unique?) is apologetic foolishness.
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Old June 2 2013, 01:15 AM   #3985
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Right. Like Spielberg and Jaws. If the damn shark had been working properly, it wouldn't have been such a great movie.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:11 PM   #3986
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Third viewing re-re-review: Fucking awesome.


That is all.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:14 PM   #3987
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^ Good

I'll review it after I see it again tonight. It'll be my fourth.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:19 PM   #3988
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Fourth ! Wow. You really liked it. I went to see the previous one 4 times but I was pressured into the 3rd time. So it would probably only have been three.

I have to admit I can't wait to get the BluRay, though.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:54 PM   #3989
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The colors are mostly all unnatural.

The score was forgettable (everyone can hum starwars, raiders and even the star trek tv shows music).

The new Enterprise set looks too clinical.

The Kirk/Spock goodbye scene was way way too corny.

McCoy said, "I'm a doctor not an Engineer" too many times. I thought he said it three times in the movie. If not then maybe the way it was used made it feel that it was too much.

And the new transporter effect was too drasticly changed. The changes seen in the other movies were okay because technology advanced. This movie is still in the days of young Kirk and Spock.
I just saw the movie the 2nd time and would like to change my review from a C to a B. None of the complaints above bothered me the second time except for the corny kirk/spock goodbye scene. I will see it one more time before it leaves the theaters and I predict finally giving it a B+ after the 3rd time.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:02 PM   #3990
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And do you agree that McCoy did in fact only utter his iconic line once ?
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