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Old May 28 2013, 08:06 AM   #16
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It probably is an early blown Praxis. 'Why' is anybody's guess.
Why? Because it was a homage to STVI. Obviously the producers felt that the audience was smart enough to get the reference without it having to be spoon-fed to us.
They did, and we are. And it was greatly appreciated too.
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Old May 28 2013, 01:41 PM   #17
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Will there ever be a Martok in this 'verse?
Possibly. Didn't Martok say that his home province was kind of a dump anyway?
Kor rejected Martok's first application to become an officer in the Klingon Defence Force because he was from Ketha.
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Old May 28 2013, 02:04 PM   #18
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In ST6, our somewhat ill-informed Starfleet heroes and villains spoke out their own theories on what had happened to Praxis (think Chernobyl, but without the open and frank reporting policy of the Soviet Union ). Yet they also speculated that the Praxis explosion would cripple the Klingons, making them

a) pissed off and likely to go banzai any moment now, because
b) they would realize that in a few years they would be powerless to do so, but
c) in the immediate aftermath of the explosion, Starfleet would have an excellent window of opportunity to bring the Klingons to their ugly knees, thereby preventing the banzai charge.

Was this, too, ill-informed guesswork? Or did the analysis have a sound basis? If it did, then a "prematurely" exploded Praxis ought to make the plans of the Marcus cabal sort of redundant: Klingons had already ceased to be a threat due to their homeworld and industries being savaged, and they had not gone banzai yet and thus never would...

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Old May 28 2013, 02:45 PM   #19
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I always figured "overmining" was an excuse for conducting subspace weapons tests on Praxis.
"Overmining Praxis" was never anything more complicated than Meyer's clumsy transposition of the Chernobyl disaster into his superficial allegory.
I see, well in any event the subspace weapon theory fits nicely anyway.

Also, Kronos.
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Old May 28 2013, 03:06 PM   #20
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I thought the same when I saw the film. Q'onos with a smashed moon and half the planet uninhabitable? What else could it be.
I really like that in this timeline, lots of the same stuff is happening but entirely out of order. Makes me wonder what's coming next?
It kind of fits in with a "multiple universe" theroy I once read - that, from the point the "universes" diverge, as time moves forward, the "alternate" moves further and further and looks less and less like the "original", although you would still be able to see some similarities, it would get more difficult as time advanced.
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Old May 28 2013, 03:32 PM   #21
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The next movie is obviously set up to be a Klingon vs Enterprise battle much like ST3 was.
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Old May 30 2013, 01:56 AM   #22
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The next movie is obviously set up to be a Klingon vs Enterprise battle much like ST3 was.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Enterprise were destroyed. Memorable scenes from the TOS movies are being lifted and Abramsified. XI copied TMP's Enterprise fly by (duration cut by 90%), STID copied Spock's death scene from TWOK (switching Kirk and Spock). It stands to reason that with the Enterprise's destruction being the most memorable scene from TSFS it'll be copied and Abramsified in XIII, particularly since the plan was to do a trilogy. The scene will be Abramsified by having a Klingon ship tear the Enterprise apart with a shit load of torpedoes and phaser railguns. With lens flare.
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Old May 30 2013, 02:43 AM   #23
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Praxis makes perfect.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:24 AM   #24
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The next movie is obviously set up to be a Klingon vs Enterprise battle much like ST3 was.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Enterprise were destroyed. Memorable scenes from the TOS movies are being lifted and Abramsified. XI copied TMP's Enterprise fly by (duration cut by 90%), STID copied Spock's death scene from TWOK (switching Kirk and Spock). It stands to reason that with the Enterprise's destruction being the most memorable scene from TSFS it'll be copied and Abramsified in XIII, particularly since the plan was to do a trilogy. The scene will be Abramsified by having a Klingon ship tear the Enterprise apart with a shit load of torpedoes and phaser railguns. With lens flare.
And as the ship is being torn apart, Kirk puts Enterprise on a collision course with the Klingon ship and then orders his crew to get into thruster suits. As the Klingons blow Enterprise to pieces, the crew flies through the debris and boards the Klingon ship, fight their way to the command pod and take it over. But not before the Klingon commander manages to take pregnant Carol Marcus hostage, forcing Kirk to have a dramatic face off on the Klingon bridge which is finally resolved by Kirk shooting out the airlock with his phaser and then kicking the Klingon out of it in an oddly satisfying fusion of "Aliens" and TSFS "I... have had... enough... of you!"

We have our climax, ladies and gentlemen! All we have to do is hack the rest of this together and it's in the can!
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Old June 1 2013, 09:00 PM   #25
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I think Nero may have accelerated the accident with an attack. The new Klongons almost seem Babylonian to me. Less unified, more like Aridas concept of the Golden Horde culture...

I think the costumes are better--less of the Gwar/Ogron look.
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Old June 1 2013, 09:31 PM   #26
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Yet the Klingons aren't in a bad shape or Section 31 wouldn't be worried about them. I guess they conquered worlds with energy resources as result of Nero's appearence.
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Old June 2 2013, 01:47 AM   #27
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Yet the Klingons aren't in a bad shape or Section 31 wouldn't be worried about them. I guess they conquered worlds with energy resources as result of Nero's appearence.
Or it could be that Klingons are no threat at all to the Federation, but rather a perpetual nuisance, and Section 31 would prefer for the Federation to conquer/reeducate/civilize them than continue to put up with border raids, kidnappings and murders year after year. Basically, the Taliban with starships: they keep showing up in random bursts of spectacular violence that cause a lot more dismay than actual damage. Marcus' idea is that the best way to deal with the Klingons is to roll in there, kick their asses and force them to behave themselves.

It's basically what Cartwright was saying in TUC. "The opportunity here is to bring them to their knees." The key word here is opportunity: it's something that some in Starfleet always wanted to do if they could just think of a good enough excuse.
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Old June 2 2013, 03:10 AM   #28
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Unless it were torn apart by tidal forces to form a ring around its primary.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:21 AM   #30
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Unless it were torn apart by tidal forces to form a ring around its primary.
In which case it still wound't be the shattered eggshell looking thing seen in as the moon and all over the end titles.
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