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Old June 1 2013, 04:50 AM   #6151
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Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

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Comics:
About 25-30 issues of Silver age superman (from various DC Showcase collections)
Some Golden Age Superman stories
All of the JMS started "Grounded" arc before the reboot
The first six issues of All Star Superman
Various issues of Action comics
A lot of Justice League comics
A lot of various event comics and misc appearances, way too many to list

I'd say that, in general, I have a good amount of experience with Superman.
You haven't even scratched the surface of the character.

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She's pretty enough, and Toby was dorky enough.
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Old June 1 2013, 12:10 PM   #6152
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I liked Dunst fine as Mary Jane. She's very attractive.

Not one of the guys who "slag off on women on the Internet," as you say, has ever been with anyone as attractive as the women they're criticizing. I guarantee you that.
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Old June 1 2013, 04:39 PM   #6153
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I'm not one to normally "slag off on women on the internet", but in Dunst's case, I just never felt like she lived up to the Mary Jane Watson portrayal of the comics.
I take it you never read Ultimate Spider-Man.
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Old June 1 2013, 06:57 PM   #6154
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Comics:
About 25-30 issues of Silver age superman (from various DC Showcase collections)
Some Golden Age Superman stories
All of the JMS started "Grounded" arc before the reboot
The first six issues of All Star Superman
Various issues of Action comics
A lot of Justice League comics
A lot of various event comics and misc appearances, way too many to list

I'd say that, in general, I have a good amount of experience with Superman.
You haven't even scratched the surface of the character.
So? I still know what superman is like (and I'd bet I've read/seen more with him than Snyder or Nolan). I don't need to have read every superman comic in the last 80 years to know what he's like. Moody, angsty, and having an earth Dad that tells him to let kids drown and having Jor El be some kind of fighter? Not superman. Bearded "hobo"? Not superman (outside of a hilarious looking silver age comic, apparently, and even then he didn't have a beard). He seriously looks like Christian bale's type of character in the bearded hobo clips, and all the clips look like generic dark superhero movie #456.

The Dark Man of Steel Rises just looks bad. Every clip makes it look worse. I haven't seen a superhero movie thats made me just shocked at how stupid it looked since Dark Knight Rises was showing tV spots/trailers. It will probably not be as bad as The dark Knight (I don't know if its possible to make a worse superhero movie than that) but its almost certainly going to suck. I'll admit that it is possible that it could be watchable (Snyder did direct a version of Watchman that I could sit through, even if the story still sucked) and its even possible it won't be as much of a Nolan superhero movie as I think, but it still looks like a bad superhero movie that will make Superman IV look like The Avengers.
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Old June 1 2013, 07:13 PM   #6155
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This is my last say on the subject, as it's not about Superman...

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I'm not trying to take down all silent films. On the other hand, a silent film in this day and age is just an artsy film for critics, period.
Really? Because the theater I saw it in wasn't full of critics. I'm not a critic. And everyone really enjoyed the movie. An art film doesn't make 133 million dollars world wide.

It's a FUN movie. It's got a lot of heart and soul. And incredibly charming performances. It's not an art film. It's done by the same guy who did the OSS 117 movies.

AND, the reason it's a silent movie is actually a part of it's story. I can't say more without spoiling it.


I can accept people using black and white and not strictly trying to make a movie for artsy movie critics, but a silent movie?
Why is black and white ok but not sound? That just seems random.


Why don't they just start giving out awards to cave paintings. They only made silent movies because they couldn't do movies with dialog.
They could do movies with dialogue. They used cards. You mean they couldn't do movie with sound, yes. Just like they made black and white movies because they couldn't do them with color.

It was a story telling CHOICE in The Artist.


As soon as they could, I'm pretty sure silent films basically disappeared. Its fine if people like it, but to me its just confusing and laughable to see a silent movie win anything outside of some film festival award.
It's confusing and laughable because you didn't see it. You are bound by a very narrow taste. And that's sorta sad.

It's like only eating hamburgers all of your life because you only like hamburgers. There is SO much more out there...

...but, I know, it's falling on deaf ears... so, with that...

I can't wait to see Man of Steel. It's the next big movie I'm putting on my calender...
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Old June 1 2013, 07:31 PM   #6156
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Are silent films are actually the general audience? Yes, it must be so fun to see what wikipedia calls a romantic comedy-drama, without dialog. What is a "romantic comedy-drama" even supposed to be? I'm assuming thats just a fancy way of saying "chick flick". A french made, silent, black and white romance movie is definately an artsy movie, regardless of how much money it made. I may not have the most common tastes, but I refuse to believe that the average guy went and saw the Artist, atleast of their own free will. There is no way its a movie for the average person.
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Old June 1 2013, 07:55 PM   #6157
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kirk55555 wrote: View Post

Comics:
About 25-30 issues of Silver age superman (from various DC Showcase collections)
Some Golden Age Superman stories
All of the JMS started "Grounded" arc before the reboot
The first six issues of All Star Superman
Various issues of Action comics
A lot of Justice League comics
A lot of various event comics and misc appearances, way too many to list

I'd say that, in general, I have a good amount of experience with Superman.
You haven't even scratched the surface of the character.
So? I still know what superman is like (and I'd bet I've read/seen more with him than Snyder or Nolan). I don't need to have read every superman comic in the last 80 years to know what he's like. Moody, angsty, and having an earth Dad that tells him to let kids drown and having Jor El be some kind of fighter? Not superman. Bearded "hobo"? Not superman (outside of a hilarious looking silver age comic, apparently, and even then he didn't have a beard). He seriously looks like Christian bale's type of character in the bearded hobo clips, and all the clips look like generic dark superhero movie #456.

The Dark Man of Steel Rises just looks bad. Every clip makes it look worse. I haven't seen a superhero movie thats made me just shocked at how stupid it looked since Dark Knight Rises was showing tV spots/trailers. It will probably not be as bad as The dark Knight (I don't know if its possible to make a worse superhero movie than that) but its almost certainly going to suck. I'll admit that it is possible that it could be watchable (Snyder did direct a version of Watchman that I could sit through, even if the story still sucked) and its even possible it won't be as much of a Nolan superhero movie as I think, but it still looks like a bad superhero movie that will make Superman IV look like The Avengers.
Why not just wait to see the movie before you condemn it?

If you don't want to see the movie because it will suck, why waste time and energy arguing about it?
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Old June 1 2013, 07:56 PM   #6158
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How does every thread turn into people mocking and poking sticks at kirk55555?
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Old June 1 2013, 08:30 PM   #6159
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I'm not one to normally "slag off on women on the internet", but in Dunst's case, I just never felt like she lived up to the Mary Jane Watson portrayal of the comics.
I take it you never read Ultimate Spider-Man.
Dunst pretty clearly wasn't playing Ultimate Mary-Jane. In fact, I'm not sure Ultimate Spider-Man even existed at the point that the script was written and the film was cast.
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Old June 1 2013, 08:36 PM   #6160
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In fact, I'm not sure Ultimate Spider-Man even existed at the point that the script was written and the film was cast.
Ultimate Spider-Man started in 2000, Spider-Man came out in 2002, so unless they were filming for two years (and seeing as 9/11 caused a scene to get scraped thats very unlikely not to mention a Green Goblin suit that looks like the Ultimate Green Goblin design). So it did exist at that point and time.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:11 PM   #6161
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Are silent films are actually the general audience? Yes, it must be so fun to see what wikipedia calls a romantic comedy-drama, without dialog. What is a "romantic comedy-drama" even supposed to be? I'm assuming thats just a fancy way of saying "chick flick". A french made, silent, black and white romance movie is definately an artsy movie, regardless of how much money it made. I may not have the most common tastes, but I refuse to believe that the average guy went and saw the Artist, atleast of their own free will. There is no way its a movie for the average person.
I picked up the DVD of THE ARTIST at our local small-town library in rural Pennsylvania. Trust me, there's not a lot of jaded art critics around here. And I'm pretty sure it was available via Redbox at the local grocery stores as well, alongside action movies and slasher flicks.

And, yes, nobody held a gun to my head. My girlfriend and I both saw THE ARTIST of our free will . . . and we genuinely enjoyed it. Why is that so hard to believe?

"Average" people may have broader tastes than you realize. It all depends on what you're in the mood for. Sometimes you feel like a comedy, sometimes you feel like a serious historical drama, sometimes you feel like an action flick, sometimes you feel like a fun, breezy return to the Silent Era.

To continue the culinary metaphor: Sure, you can always order the same thing every time you go out, because, hey, you know what you like. But why not try that new Ethiopian restaurant once in a while, just for variety's sake?

Heck, even "average" people go out for Indian or sushi sometimes, not just snobby restaurant critics!
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Old June 1 2013, 10:17 PM   #6162
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Whatever. I'm not denying some people like it. This all just came from me barely mentioning it while taking a shot at awards from film snobs. I still say its that kind of movie. Its a silent film 80+ years (I mgith be wrong about how long, but I have to figure its around 80+ yeards since they left) after they were rendered irrelevant. There is a reason you don't see them anymore. It had a gimmick that critics liked, so it bevame famous.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:21 PM   #6163
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How does every thread turn into people mocking and poking sticks at kirk55555?
Sometimes I wonder if it's the reverse. But, yeah, point taken.
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Old June 1 2013, 10:43 PM   #6164
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Old June 1 2013, 10:45 PM   #6165
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So, uh....about the movie lol.

Anyone thinking about doing a midnight showing of this? This is right up there with STID in terms of anticipation.
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