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Old May 31 2013, 03:43 PM   #1516
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Every million helps!
Why, do you get a share?
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Old May 31 2013, 03:46 PM   #1517
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Also, commercial tapes were sold for $79+ in the early days. That was a lot of money then. The home video market only took off when the industry finally decided to lower prices to around $30.
In fact, in the USA, it was "ST II: The Wrath of Khan" that broke the $79 threshold and came out at the ridiculously low $29. IIRC, a chain of pizza restaurants offered Paramount Home Video's latest release, ST II, for that low price - and this opened the floodgates.

Here in Australia, we followed the excitement with great interest. I already had my Beta copies of ST:TMP and "Barbarella" (both were $AU 79). ST II was due soon, but when it arrived it was also $AU 79. I organised a bulk purchase at my local video shop and got six sell-thru copies at a 15% discount.

A few weeks/months later, Australian "Pizza Hut" restaurants had a special offer: selling Paramount's "Raiders of the Lost Ark" for $AU 29! How frustrating! Missed it by one. The prices of all sell-thru videos in Australia started dropping across the board.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:53 PM   #1518
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Here in Brazil, unfortunately, piracy is strong, but in IMAX is simply the best and the film is being sold with low quality (CAM), it's worth buying it. As the film has not been released on DVD, until the premiere june 14th, I think many people will see the movie first. The price is good. I will take 03 friends of mine who don´t know about Star Trek.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:58 PM   #1519
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There was some piracy back then, but it didn't compare to the mass piracy you have now.
Nah. Reality check.

As soon as video stores appeared, there was video piracy on a "mass" scale. That was the late 1970's. Any bloke with two VCR's could copy a movie illegally. Or, any one bloke and his buddy, who each had their own.

Naturally, industrial machines could make much better copies. To assert that all tapes on all shelves in all stores across the country were legal is simply laughable. Same as today, with DVD's.

The piracy of movies still in the theaters was the bleeding edge. I saw a guy get caught with a tripod set up in the theater at the end of the first run of The Empire Strikes Back, when the crowds had thinned out. That was 1980. That the theater was even alert to that should tell you something.

If anything has changed today, it's just that the cost of making, keeping, and distributing good copies has dropped dramatically. What haven't changed are people's proclivities.

ETA: I agree with what mos6507 and Buzzkill said about price and availability. I remember, too, I was there.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:01 PM   #1520
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Star Trek was about characters being philosophical and exploring the human condition, using science that was credible - a criteria established by Roddenberry at the onset of the franchise, and solving issues through diplomacy and negotiation, and occasionally, with weapons.
"Star Trek Into Darkness".

As I mentioned in a previous thread, a friend's partner is in a world clinical trial at the moment, one of only six or eight people having special blood serum treatment on a ligament that had previously refused to repair itself. A large amount of blood was taken, reduced down to a small amount of serum, injected back into the problem site - and the ligament has been given a boost for the body to start repairing itself.

"Magic blood" in the 21st century. Imagine what it might be able to do by the 23rd?
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Old May 31 2013, 04:09 PM   #1521
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If anything has changed today, it's just that the cost of making, keeping, and distributing good copies has dropped dramatically. What haven't changed are people's proclivities.
The ability to download a good copy online has made piracy more widespread.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:14 PM   #1522
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Star Trek was about characters being philosophical and exploring the human condition, using science that was credible
No, it wasn't. It was a TV action/drama series, and the science was rarely credible.

...a criteria established by Roddenberry at the onset of the franchise
No, he didn't. "Wagon Train To The Stars." You ever watch Wagon Train, BTW?

...and solving issues through diplomacy and negotiation, and occasionally, with weapons.
Frequently weapons, and a fist fight or two just about every week.

STID is a lot more like the original Star Trek television series than any previous Star Trek movie.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:16 PM   #1523
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If anything has changed today, it's just that the cost of making, keeping, and distributing good copies has dropped dramatically. What haven't changed are people's proclivities.
The ability to download a good copy online has made piracy more widespread.
Well, the ability to watch movies on a PC has made watching movies on PC's more widespread, period. Your statement is about as vacuous as that.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:22 PM   #1524
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Well, the ability to watch movies on a PC has made watching movies on PC's more widespread, period. Your statement is about as vacuous as that.
Yes, it's made watching movies on PC more widespread in general, but it's increased the level of piracy since a lot of people who wouldn't buy an illegal physical copy of a music CD or a movie on DVD will download an illegal copy given the ease and anonymity (or at least perceived anonymity). There's nothing vacuous about pointing that out.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:26 PM   #1525
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Thurs numbers

F&F6 $5M ($135M) #2 HANGOVER 3 $2.7M ($72M) #3 STAR TREK: ID $2.5M ($164M)

if it can pull off 19-20m weekend it'll be close to 190m.

it also appears to be considerably outperforming after earth in south korea and will easy double the 09 take.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:35 PM   #1526
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Star Trek was about characters being philosophical and exploring the human condition, using science that was credible
No, it wasn't. It was a TV action/drama series, and the science was rarely credible.

...a criteria established by Roddenberry at the onset of the franchise
No, he didn't. "Wagon Train To The Stars." You ever watch Wagon Train, BTW?

...and solving issues through diplomacy and negotiation, and occasionally, with weapons.
Frequently weapons, and a fist fight or two just about every week.

STID is a lot more like the original Star Trek television series than any previous Star Trek movie.
I'd just like to know what show these folks were watching?
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Yes, it's made watching movies on PC more widespread in general, but it's increased the level of piracy since a lot of people who wouldn't buy an illegal physical copy of a music CD or a movie on DVD will download an illegal copy given the ease and anonymity (or at least perceived anonymity). There's nothing vacuous about pointing that out.
I recall being discouraged that the first time I knew about "Bit Torrenting", about five years ago, was overhearing a couple of primary school aged kids talking quite matter-of-factly about some yet-to-be-released films they had already seen.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:38 PM   #1528
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Well, the ability to watch movies on a PC has made watching movies on PC's more widespread, period. Your statement is about as vacuous as that.
Yes, it's made watching movies on PC more widespread in general, but it's increased the level of piracy since some people who wouldn't buy an illegal physical copy of a music CD or a movie on DVD will download an illegal copy given the ease and anonymity (or at least perceived anonymity). There's nothing vacuous about pointing that out.
I don't think it's been demonstrated that the proportion of piracy to legitimate activity is in any way increasing.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:47 PM   #1529
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I don't think it's been demonstrated that the proportion of piracy to legitimate activity is in any way increasing.
The percentage of the population that downloads illegal content would be a lot higher than the percentage of the population that bought pirated VHS tapes back in the day. I think that's common sense and is indicated by the increased attention to piracy from the entertainment industry in the online era. It's the same as with the proliferation of porn. Plenty of people watched porn prior to the internet age, but once people could download porn in their homes the number of people watching and the amount they watched increased significantly. When something, such as obtaining pirated material and/or pornographic material, becomes very easy and has the cloak of perceived anonymity it entices people who might otherwise have qualms about it to go ahead and obtain it.
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Old May 31 2013, 05:07 PM   #1530
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I don't think it's been demonstrated that the proportion of piracy to legitimate activity is in any way increasing.
The percentage of the population that downloads illegal content would be a lot higher than the percentage of the population that bought pirated VHS tapes back in the day. I think that's common sense and is indicated by the increased attention to piracy from the entertainment industry in the online era. It's the same as with the proliferation of porn. Plenty of people watched porn prior to the internet age, but once people could download porn in their homes the number of people watching and the amount they watched increased significantly. When something, such as obtaining pirated material and/or pornographic material, becomes very easy and has the cloak of perceived anonymity it entices people who might otherwise have qualms about it to go ahead and obtain it.
And what of the percentage of people who own or rent DVD's, Blu-rays, use Netflix, ITunes, etc., versus the percentage who rented or owned VHS tapes back in the day? If it's "common sense" that illegal downloading is up, then it's "common sense" that those numbers of legal behavior are up, too.

If you're going to grind your ax about one aspect, keep it in proportion to everything else.

Anyway, the main point is that "plugging the holes" and "reigning in" illegal behavior wouldn't necessarily improve STID's numbers significantly, if at all or more than only marginally.
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