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Old May 31 2013, 04:06 PM   #16
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We needed more Trek episodes where they found people from other timestreams and couldn't return them.
It would of been great if a handful of the crew came back from the delta quadrant with twins. -"Hey Mom, I'm home, and I brought myself with me."
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Old May 31 2013, 04:25 PM   #17
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Re: "Year of Hell" Question

"Guess who's coming to dinner..." indeed!

I doubt escape pods have the resources to use temporal shielding given that, AFAIA, they don't even have the ability to generate standard shields.

Any poor saps that had temporal shielding active at the time Janeway rammed the timeship are probably stuck in the DQ for the rest of their lives.

I like to think that it isn't the timeship changing everything else, but rather that each time it uses its weapon it jumps to an alternate timeline.
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Old May 31 2013, 10:04 PM   #18
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If they had temporal shielding, then that crewmen, crewmens (that's not right) would not have transferred through to Voayger in the next universe... The Rules from Year of Hell did not create dopplegangers. There's one one of each person, but if you're in a temporal shield when the universe switches, to the new Voyagers coupled to a new causality stream, it would seem like the crew in escape Pods had never existed.

Wow.

Every universe we saw after Janeway invented temporal Shields was a universe where Voyager had never been built, and her crew had never been born (temporally assasinated sperm, and temporallying removed raw resources, mommy and daddy would still had sex at the same time but it's a different sperm and egg in play, and Voyager would have been made to the same specs but with different tritanium and plastic and linen and everything else on board the ship.)
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Old June 1 2013, 10:53 AM   #19
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Here's four pages of links to scripts seemingly mentioning in theory the same bloke.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=sit...-GB%3Aofficial

Chef was like Norm's wife from Cheers from almost the beginning.
Archer is too dim to realize that "our Chef" is a rotation of folk all in the same white hat. Maybe Norm was also this dim except who would ever line up for that gig.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:59 AM   #20
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I was watching most of season four today.

The Chef on Columbia is "Better".
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Old June 1 2013, 12:04 PM   #21
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Okay I give in. There was one Chef, a guy that got referenced and made eggs and pie and Vulcan gruel.

But all that confiding in stuff was artistic license on the part of the holoprogrammer. A sounding board person to tell the main character's stories.
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Old June 1 2013, 12:42 PM   #22
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It was a therapeutic program.

BY design it was supposed to root into Riker's mind by allowing the bearded twit the opportunity to root celebrities, in the brain. He was asking the questions he wanted to ask himself and then comparing those answers to his own and allotting who was falling short, and who won, himself or the light bulbs.

The only way that "Those were the Voyages" makes any sense is if Archer and Tucker were frakking.

Although the lesson Dee wanted her scruffy monkey to get out o this, even though she didn't know the complete facts is that John fucking Locke (You love Lost so much don't you?) is an asshole you should not die for friviously and pointlessly for.

Denna probably stacked the deck so that Riker had to grow a set and stick a foot up Pressman's ass.

Screw whatever really happened.

The real winner here today is psychology!
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Old June 1 2013, 01:03 PM   #23
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It's as much psychology as a bunch of tarot cards. Turn it over, say what's on your mind. But then that was the quality of Troi's counseling as well.

The only thing I loved about Lost was John Locke, I held on to the bitter end trying to suck more Locke out of it only to find out the really crappy Locke was really crappy at being Locke because he wasn't Locke and I could have quit months ago.

Star Trek psychology is hilarious stuff. But they can cure 99.99 percent of everything now so all they are left to deal with is miffedness and holoaddiction. Though why they can't fix Barclay's anxiety issues I'm not sure.. unless they are something he has generated himself with no help from chemistry because they complete him. And then there are a few genuine sociopaths.
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Old June 1 2013, 02:21 PM   #24
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Considering how creepy John was in the beginning:"I HAVE KNIVES!" I thought Locke was going to be a paedophile who would run off with Walt. It took me forever to accept that no one was going to kill Walt. The incest twins got the death they deserved. If that kid had been taken out early on, then Michael wouldn't have been such a useless stain in the middle. That fuck killed Libby. It's like what Janeway did to Tuvix times a million.

Hurley needed to tap that so bad.

And she wanted to let him.

And Libby had had practice with big guys before.

Spent a season with Drew Carey pawing her.

Not that all large men are created equally.
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Something crossed my mind after re-watching "Year of Hell" recently. After the Voyager crew became successful in shielding themselves from the Krenim's weapons and temporal incursions, she orders the crew to abandon ship. She must have shielded the escape pods from the temporal incursions or they wouldn't have existed if Voyager failed the attack later. The question is, what happened to that crew? If they were shielded as I assume they were, Janeway didn't go back for them because she didn't know about them.

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Old June 2 2013, 01:13 AM   #26
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WIIIIIIIITCH!!!!

Somebody! Quickly start collecting wood for a bonfire!
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Old June 2 2013, 04:41 PM   #27
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Voyager already had metaphasic shielding which protected them from the temporal incursions. That was the whole reason the Krenim time ship came after them. It was the chronoton torpedoes that they had to develop a defense for, which they did when Seven determined the exact modulation of the torpedo stuck in the hull. Neither Voyager nor the Krenim ever switched time lines until they were both destroyed and everything reset.
Way off.

We saw people dissolve on Voager's bridge.

TUVOK: Captain, the Krenim warship is in pursuit, but their weapons are not powered.
JANEWAY: They don't know what to do with us now that we're shielded against their torpedoes.
KIM: Captain, there's some kind of spatial distortion heading toward us. Sensor readings are erratic. I can't identify the phenomenon.
CHAKOTAY: What's the source?
KIM: Unknown, but it originated approximately twenty light years from our position. It looks like a shock wave in the fabric of space-time.
JANEWAY: Tom, get us out of here.
PARIS: We'll never outrun it, Captain.
JANEWAY: Maybe our new shields will help. All hands, brace for impact!
TUVOK: You were correct, Captain. The temporal shielding has protected us. The wave front has passed.
KIM: Captain.
CHAKOTAY: Report.
KIM: It's definitely a Krenim ship. Identical hull markings, same bio-spectral frequency, but it's half the size. Limited fire power.
JANEWAY: What happened to the warship?
PARIS: I'm not picking it up on long range sensors.
CHAKOTAY: It looks like this entire part of space has changed somehow. The last time I checked this region was filled with Krenim colonies and vessels. I just ran a scan and sensors show no colonies and just a handful of Krenim ships.
JANEWAY: Harry, transfer all your sensor data about that shock wave to the Astrometrics lab.
KIM: Yes, ma'am.
JANEWAY: Tell Seven of Nine to meet me there.
CHAKOTAY: Captain, Astrometrics took heavy damage a few days go. It's offline.
JANEWAY: Well, let's get it back online. It appears that the Krenim Imperium has vanished. Our troubles could be over and I'd like to find out why.


[Krenim Timeship - Bridge]


OBRIST: Something went wrong. The entire Krenim Imperium. It's reverted to a pre-warp state.
ANNORAX: Not possible. Our calculations were perfect.
OBRIST: I may have an explanation. There's an anomalous temporal reading twenty light years from here. It's coming from a vessel.
ANNORAX: What vessel?
OBRIST: Component zero four nine beta, a ship called Voyager.
ANNORAX: That ship was classified as an inert component. It shouldn't be generating a temporal field.
OBRIST: But it is, and it was enough to throw off our calculations.
ANNORAX: Take me to them.
"New" shields.

Google search says the word "metaphasic" is not used in the episode.

Metaphasic shields let you park inside suns.

By the time Voyager got into use, metaphasic shields were probably just called "shields".
Thank you; I stand corrected. Apparently I don't remember that episode as well as I thought I did. LOL. Time for a re-watch.
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Old June 2 2013, 04:56 PM   #28
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Been there so many times.

I can think of about 4 times in the last two years that I have had to temporarily extract myself from this forum to rewatch Equinox before again feeling righteous enough to finish my very loud thoughts.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:22 PM   #29
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Maybe the Doctor's backup file eventually found their corpses a hundred years later. Boy wouldn't that depress the fellow.
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The weapon ship interests me greatly, as was the small pocket universe bev Crusher wound up in.

The two would be perfect to use against, say Cthulhu in a one two punch.
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