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Old May 31 2013, 12:21 PM   #151
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Re: is babylonian 5 any good

^^^Yes, you're right, it was a speech to the Naval Academy graduating class.

Re Heinlein's wingnuttery, try finding any Patrick Henry League literature.

Sisko should have talked to the Prophets like Sheridan talked to the Vorlons. I don't see how it's possible to view both as mature men trying to accomplish worthwhile goals.
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Old May 31 2013, 12:58 PM   #152
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Sisko had Prophet DNA so he was fucked.

Speech link please.
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Old May 31 2013, 01:15 PM   #153
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We're waiting for tmosler to get back to us about her Babylon 5 viewing and keeping the thread warm while we wait.
It would work out MUCH better if you "kept it warm" with b5-oriented content.

For example, how many folks here can recall how they started their B5 viewing? Was it at the urging of a friend or a commercial or a convention. etc?
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Old May 31 2013, 01:22 PM   #154
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Sisko had Prophet DNA so he was fucked.

Speech link please.
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Old May 31 2013, 01:24 PM   #155
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Sisko had Prophet DNA so he was fucked.

Speech link please.
Every species in the galaxy had been surgically altered on a genetic level, which sure as custard, would be passed down forever through bloodlines making humans submissive and agreeable to Vorlons.

Sheridan is only capable of being as asshole to Kosh when he is shielded from the vorlonocity of Kosh by his encounter suit.
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Old May 31 2013, 01:28 PM   #156
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Helluva speech.

I've had two romances I ever got woozy over. One was Roslin and Adama and the other was Sheridan and Delenn. Watching that.. they look so wonderful
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Old May 31 2013, 01:31 PM   #157
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Neroon wrote: View Post
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We're waiting for tmosler to get back to us about her Babylon 5 viewing and keeping the thread warm while we wait.
It would work out MUCH better if you "kept it warm" with b5-oriented content.

For example, how many folks here can recall how they started their B5 viewing? Was it at the urging of a friend or a commercial or a convention. etc?
On topic, that's a thought. Back from Japan briefly, I caught Deathwalker. The opening where NaToth went after her was great. And the slow reveal of what Deathwalker was to many of the parties in the episode was great. Other episodes like 'Voice in the Wilderness' with Ivanova's Rules to the guys in the shuttle, even Garibaldi's 'zip-button' routine were great. I'd long grown tired of TNG Trek's perfect humanity, and every episode needing to be meaningful and full of meaningful conversation. Folks in B5 had silly human conversations, played practical jokes on each other, and could be stupid, venal, crass, and silly, but still rise to higher moments of kindness, and humanity. The B5 characters came across as interesting and believable folks that I wanted to see the story of.
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Old May 31 2013, 01:31 PM   #158
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Sisko had Prophet DNA so he was fucked.

Speech link please.
Every species in the galaxy had been surgically altered on a genetic level, which sure as custard, would be passed down forever through bloodlines making humans submissive and agreeable to Vorlons.

Sheridan is only capable of being as asshole to Kosh when he is shielded from the vorlonocity of Kosh by his encounter suit.
So the DS9 parallels continue. I think the natural evolution of mankind got away from the Vorlons who were a little too cocky after a few millennium.
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Old May 31 2013, 01:43 PM   #159
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teacake wrote: View Post
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Sisko had Prophet DNA so he was fucked.

Speech link please.
Every species in the galaxy had been surgically altered on a genetic level, which sure as custard, would be passed down forever through bloodlines making humans submissive and agreeable to Vorlons.

Sheridan is only capable of being as asshole to Kosh when he is shielded from the vorlonocity of Kosh by his encounter suit.
So the DS9 parallels continue. I think the natural evolution of mankind got away from the Vorlons who were a little too cocky after a few millennium.
The Vorlons and Shadows were treating the species of the galaxy as their giant ant farm. That's the point of G'Kar's speech to Sinclair's girlfriend after all. As Lorien put it, they were no longer interested in helping the younger races, instead, the Vorlons and Shadows had become interested in proving who was right. They were an Internet argument made manifest. The younger races were the hapless victims of titanic trolls. Whether the recognition of the Vorlons was genetic (which was Sheridan's assumption) or it was a telepathic ability of the Vorlons (which his exhaustion after saving Sinclair implies) or it is a combination is hard to tell.
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Old May 31 2013, 01:47 PM   #160
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We're waiting for tmosler to get back to us about her Babylon 5 viewing and keeping the thread warm while we wait.
It would work out MUCH better if you "kept it warm" with b5-oriented content.

For example, how many folks here can recall how they started their B5 viewing? Was it at the urging of a friend or a commercial or a convention. etc?
I had an Amiga computer, and since B5 special effects were being created on the Amiga platform with the still-under-development Video Toaster 3D board and LightWave software, renders of the station and the Starfuries were showing up in Amiga-centric magazines long before The Gathering aired. I attended a meeting of an Amiga users group just to see a few minutes of B5 effects footage. I couldn't WAIT for the pilot to air, and I made sure I didn't miss it.
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Old May 31 2013, 02:56 PM   #161
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Neroon wrote: View Post
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We're waiting for tmosler to get back to us about her Babylon 5 viewing and keeping the thread warm while we wait.
It would work out MUCH better if you "kept it warm" with b5-oriented content.

For example, how many folks here can recall how they started their B5 viewing? Was it at the urging of a friend or a commercial or a convention. etc?
I was very, very fascinated with CG Animation, and a Space Opera Fanatic and the Commercials for The Gathering roped me in. I wasn't completely entranced by the story yet, but, the first shot of the Vorlon Cruiser coming in for Docking had me desperate to see more, even if the story turned out to be garbage. Then And the Sky Full of Stars aired, and I knew the Series was going to be very deep and incredible and I was a fan for life (For the story as well as the CGI) from that episode on, and it just kept getting better from there.
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Old May 31 2013, 05:53 PM   #162
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So...is anybody else going to even mention B5 in this thread?

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Old May 31 2013, 06:16 PM   #163
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Neroon wrote: View Post
teacake wrote: View Post
We're waiting for tmosler to get back to us about her Babylon 5 viewing and keeping the thread warm while we wait.
It would work out MUCH better if you "kept it warm" with b5-oriented content.

For example, how many folks here can recall how they started their B5 viewing? Was it at the urging of a friend or a commercial or a convention. etc?
Since you asked for a story, here's mine:

After seeing The Gathering in first run in 1993, I thought it good, but figured that it was just another "one off" in the sci-fi boom that happened that spring alongside DS9 and Space Rangers, and one or two others that I can't recall at the moment. I had no idea that it was going to be a series, and, a year later when THAT was announced, I attempted to watch it, only, my TV guide listed it as being on Sunday mornings at 3:30am. So, I set my VCR, but ALWAYS got the last 30 minutes of a movie, and an informerical. This went on for two years, and I finally just gave up, figuring that this series was a hoax, or lie, or something.

Then, in 1998, TNT premiered the fifth season, along with reruns of the first four, at a promised 7pm weeknight time slot. I was skeptical, but again, set my VCR, and to my surprise, ACTUALLY saw the show. Shortly after this, I discovered that it was a serialized program with a set ending, so, rather than watch it every week, I taped all the episodes on TNT, acquired an in-order episode list, and waited for season five to end. Then, when I had them all, I started watching one episode a day off my tapes in early 1999, and was hooked.

Also, around this time, I became aware of that whole "DS9 stole from B5" business, and THAT helped to make me curious about the show too, since I had been watching DS9 on my local FOX station for it's entire run (the TV guide reported CORRECT air times for that show).
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Old May 31 2013, 11:00 PM   #164
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The Vorlons and Shadows were treating the species of the galaxy as their giant ant farm. That's the point of G'Kar's speech to Sinclair's girlfriend after all. As Lorien put it, they were no longer interested in helping the younger races, instead, the Vorlons and Shadows had become interested in proving who was right. They were an Internet argument made manifest. The younger races were the hapless victims of titanic trolls.
I am going to remember this one.

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Old June 1 2013, 03:20 AM   #165
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We're waiting for tmosler to get back to us about her Babylon 5 viewing and keeping the thread warm while we wait.
It would work out MUCH better if you "kept it warm" with b5-oriented content.

For example, how many folks here can recall how they started their B5 viewing? Was it at the urging of a friend or a commercial or a convention. etc?
Well, I was a member of the B5 forum on GEnie, before the show ever aired. Saw the first episode as it was broadcast, and every episode as it aired after that.
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