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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Spock/Uhura pairing?
I LOVE them together! 29 46.77%
I generally think they’re okay together. 12 19.35%
Not my preference, but I don’t mind them together. 13 20.97%
I HATE them together. 8 12.90%
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Old May 29 2013, 11:11 AM   #256
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Welcome to the thread. I'll be responding to you later.
Thank you so much Spock/Uhura Fan I was here on the forum after the 2009 movie loving Spock and Uhura, but this time around I couldn't find a thread. Finally I googled and it found you guys for me

I'm feeling better about S/U in the movie but still wasn't able to see the hand-holding due to having to see it again in 2D, and still have some upset with TPTB who I still feel miss-directed Zach.

In the 2009 movie, we didn't see their coming together as a couple--seeing them flirt - take cautious steps towards one another - Spock being confused by his feelings for his student/denying his feeling/ultimately giving in to his feelings - Uhura deciding she not only respected Spock but being flattered by his compliments and deciding to take charge and take matters into her own hands (well this is my head canon she lead and he willingly after some hesitation followed.)

Believe me, I know we didn't get that because that wasn't a Spock/Uhura hold hands and travel the cosmos movie.

It's only because I feel those things had to have happened in order to get them to the level of intimacy they displayed in their scenes in the 2009 movie. In STID, I felt Spock would know exactly why Uhura was upset by his actions - and I can get behind him being stubborn thinking he was in the right and Uhura being so frustrated she stops speaking and gave him the cold shoulder , but the way Zach's facial expressions were for Spock was confusion and the stiffness of his body (in the non life-threatening scenes) was disconcerting for me upon my initial viewing.

I feel it would have been so cute to have him trying to explain himself but not admitting that he was wrong (hopefully there is a deleted scene somewhere) -just trying to get her not to be mad at him---but I feel many of the audience who aren't shippers (and maybe some shippers too--I don't know) would have had a fit with this and people would have blamed Uhura for corrupting the Spock character or something (they seem to like to blame Uhura for unprofessionalism why not this too.)

I really felt this Spock who has been in a relationship (and I agree with Zoe - a sexual relationship) would know Uhura's emotions inside and out and he would be working his butt off to fix this situation rather than letting her walk around hurt and upset waiting for her to work it out or get over it.

As an aside the interview I watched with Zach and Zoe on the Jonathan Ross show where when asked if Spock and Uhura have had sex yet (paraphrasing this as it's been awhile since I've seen it) Zach almost appeared to (or did - I can't remember) want to say No ---which just reinforced to me that he had bad direction because if he thinks the intimacy Spock and Uhura displayed in the 2009 movie was indicative of a couple still only holding hands was amazing to me.

For me, Spock and Uhura of 2009 already had sex and the intimacy they were able to display in times of distress showed that it was more than sex that this was a real and mature relationship---so with Spock's reactions in STID I just really felt it was off.

I think the powers that be thought it would work to have Uhura mad (as she is the human) and Spock not understand and be confused by her (as he is the Vulcan) and as Kirk noted Spock and TPTB were forgetting he's half human as well and TPTB forgot that he and Uhura had been together as a couple for I would guess 1/2yrs prior to 2009 movie and then another 1 year getting to STID movie....I feel they sort of brought this negativity that is out there (other threads/tumblrs/YT movie reviews etc...) onto the Uhura character, who I love so much, when Uhura is playing it 100% correct ...she would be upset/frustrated/cold until she could figure out how to make him understand (which is the place she got to in the shuttle) and she could still be professional (which she was through-out the entire movie IMO) but having Spock so confused and stiff made it appear to some as if Uhura was whiney and being unprofessional, and to me as if they took a step back in their relationship.

I clearly can't respond with a simple thank you LOL AND I would love to hear your opinions and I am so much better about it all now that I was told there are things I can't see in the 2D format.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:52 AM   #257
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^Thanks. I am going to reply, but in the meantime here are some pics.





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Old May 30 2013, 11:23 AM   #258
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@Spock/Uhura Fan - they are so gorgeous and even more so together. There is one gif on tumblr (I don't have a tumblr myself) where Uhura sort of places her hand on Spock's abdomen and I don't know if that is a deleted scene but I definitely didn't see that in the movie either.

I think there was just so much action going on, that I couldn't concentrate on S/U alone.
The 1st picture, I didn't see this until my second viewing and I wondered how I missed it. I also didn't understand initially the moment on the bridge when Spock looks at Uhura before he goes after Khan. On 1st viewing I think I thought he just looked to his side deciding what course of action to take himself ---but actually he looked directly at Uhura and was including her in the decision making.

Spock really did show Uhura respect through-out the entire movie...I was never sad about that--just really the body language and me missing instances where they showed warmth and closeness which is intimacy as well had me like scratching my head when I came out of the movie the first time around.

I'm going to make my way through the thread later as I want Meta meta meta on S/U - I love reading other people's opinions.
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Old May 30 2013, 02:49 PM   #259
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@Spock/Uhura Fan - they are so gorgeous and even more so together. There is one gif on tumblr (I don't have a tumblr myself) where Uhura sort of places her hand on Spock's abdomen and I don't know if that is a deleted scene but I definitely didn't see that in the movie either.
this one?


I think it's a different angle of the scene where McCoy and Carol are playing with that torpedo and it looks bad for Bones before Carol saves the day
On the bridge they're all relieved especially Kirk and Uhura places her hand on his shoulder and then she goes to Spock and they hold hands.








actually he looked directly at Uhura and was including her in the decision making.
When Spock looks to Uhura, it's like he is asking for her permission to go but more than asking her permission it really is a hint that he now understands what she had been trying to tell him earlier because he knows she had took it wrong when earlier in the movie he almost died in the volcano, that she thought he didn't care about her and how she'd felt if something happened to him. The look reinforces what he told her in the shuttle about how the opposite is true and he does care.
and Uhura gets it now and she understands him so she gives him her permission.


I think that this is what Zachary Quinto and Zoe Saldana were referring to here:
Zachary Quinto:
“They’re really trying to understand each other, deepen their connection and grow their relationship. And I think that this is a challenging thing because they come from such different backgrounds and they’re such different individuals. In this movie you seem them working through that. You see the ways in which they misunderstand and miscommunicate, and you see the ways in which they understand and then come back together. You get the sense, I got the sense at least while I was working on it, that we were creating a dynamic and expanding a relationship that has a believable foundation and hopefully it will continue to evolve in that way.”

Zoe Saldana:

“It feels like a typical, contemporary love story(laughs). That’s one thing that’s great about working with J.J. and his team of writers, in that you’re going to be stepping into shoes of human beings – whether they’re superhuman, or whether they’re fighting battles. Even considering what they do as work, they’re still being challenged with everyday matters of the heart, you know? And they’re still being challenged with politics and self-discovery. So the story and the journey between Spock and Uhura is, in my opinion, she’s learning the kind of person he is, and she’s encouraging him to cater to his human side, to his human half. And there’s a conflict there, because he doesn’t want to be compromised, because he feels like if he’s to be compromised he’ll be weak and a lot of people will suffer.
And Uhura, she needs to learn to just understand his Vulcan side. She’s with a man who has duty before anything else, she needs to accept and embrace that when he tells her that she’s important to him, that she is.
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Old May 30 2013, 04:22 PM   #260
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I'm so glad to see this discussion. I felt much like the earlier poster that STID was a better film but I left the theatre feeling a little cold because the Spock/Uhura relationship seemed to have distanced itself. But after the wonderful chat on this thread. I'll be seeing it tonight in 3D in a new light. I'll be checking for hand holding and whatnot.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:29 PM   #261
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Okay I'm reading this thread and what you all are writing.... will think about it while I watch it again this weekend... we shall see if it tempers my growing reservations for S/U.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:44 PM   #262
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this takes inspiration from an old meme
it's basically the movie



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Old May 30 2013, 06:45 PM   #263
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I ABSOLUTELY fell in LOVE with Uhura and Spock and every instance they were within breathing space of one another I perked up that much more. By the time I saw that movie there were about 14 people in the theatre with me and I kicked myself so much for not going to see it sooner. I have been a Star Trek fan since the original series with The Enterprise as my all-time favorite series. Spock and Uhura was so new and fresh ...now here was really and truly a bold new world to explore on screens.

The movie overall was fantastic aside from S/U but it was those two gorgeous actors and characters that had me returning to see the movie 4 more times before I was too embarrassed to go back and ask for a ticket for one please? :-)
Yeah, they were great. It would have been a nice film without them, but for it it was a great film with them together. It really was a wonderful step taken by TPTB. They laid a foundation for these 2 characters that the writers for the TOS show could not because of the times. That was truly in line with “boldly going,” and it was done so well.

Now, STID finally opens and I was at the theatre the second day. Thinking the theatre would be crowded I went to the early morning showing 9:30am...Before I would give up my money I asked the ticket seller how many people were in the theatre and he said 20 there were still 320 seats remaining (first of all I didn't know the theatre held those many seats and secondly I laughed because I wondered how many other shy people had asked him this same question before me---so afraid we would have to sit immediately next to a stranger without a seat between us. :-)
Yeah, I saw ST09 in theaters twice, and the theater was nearly packed both times. I got the DVD as soon as it came out. That wasn’t and won’t be the case this time around, unfortunately.

Any hoo, as I said I went to ST2009 unspoiled but for this one as soon as the overseas tumblrs began posting about the movie I was eating it up. I didn't worry about not reading too many posts about Spock/Uhura because I had all the beautiful pictures/videos of Zach and Zoe in the interviews/press conferences and photo calls to salivate over.
Well, one thing I’ve noticed is how much Zach and Zoe never have even one photo op together. It’s like it’s on purpose. The main couple right now is Zach and Chris. They’ve got a lot of photos and interviews together. I haven’t seen one of Zach/Zoe, and neither one of them seems interested in this part of playing their roles. I think Zoe did an interview a little while before STID came out that had an S/U group I belonged to scratching their heads and wondering if they should even see the film.

Back in November, I think it was, Zach did an interview that sounded like he was tired of playing the role. Bill Maher tried to give him some good advice, though. Still, if he’s ready to move on after #3, that will be his right. I just think they both kind of gave lackluster performances this time around. Zoe wasn’t that bad, but Zach kind of seemed like he was phoning it in. That’s too bad, really.

Well, I think anyone reading this post will know that I came out of this movie sad.

I thought to myself, what happened to my babies??? Am I now to believe all their intimacy and intimate moments happens behind closed doors??? I didn't go looking for porn or for either Spock or Uhura to be unprofessional as I love and respect them because they are so very professional.
Well, the last movie had just about all of their intimate moments behind closed doors, and I think that’s fitting. I just think it would have been nice to see them in more of a private way, even if it were just a private conversation that ended in a kiss.

I’ve been told that there are a lot of little moments of affection between them that are subtle in the film, and these are noticed upon multiple viewings. I think that’s nice and that it fits Uhura’s more expressive human nature, as well as Spock’s willingness to be more visibly open with his feelings for her sake.

My thing is that it didn’t seem like TPTB really built on their relationship. The *drama* between the 2 didn’t make sense and seemed convoluted and soapy. It doesn’t need to be that way, and these 2 characters are not like that to begin with. That’s why I like them so much.

I just seriously feel as if TPTB set the relationship back on screen (I do feel they are still a strong and loving couple but off camera---which as a nosey S/U shipper- I don't like.) I have only seen STID once and when I thought to go again on Saturday I went to visit my sister instead.
Yup. They did it to make the “triumvirate” fans happy, I think. K/S fans had to have been happy too.

In 2009 they were touching/lip to lip kissing..this movie Uhura kisses Spock's "cheek" after she has sealed his helmet-what the heck???!!!! Spock runs to her on the bridge when they are in total danger and yet they don't hold hands...they had dealt with the miss-understanding at this point so I thought he would reach for her hands but they both just stood there. And regarding the hurt feelings, I totally get that and took Uhura (and Kirk's) side...LOL...and I loved all three of them in the shuttle with Spock explaining himself...but I selfishly wanted more . When U stands on her tippy toes...HOW CUTE IS THAT??? but Spock still pauses before he finally leans in to kiss.
I’ll maintain that that worked for the plot, but I don’t think of Uhura as someone that brings up personal issues while on a fast and dangerous mission. I also don’t see why she had the issue with Spock that she did. If they spend any time alone together as a couple, then this should have been resolved there. She should already know that he feels, as should Kirk because he melded with Spock Prime in the last film and was assured of New Spock being “emotionally compromised.” It just didn’t make sense.

I could understand if she could tell through bonding with Spock that he was still having issues, that he had developed a hero complex because of what happened in the last movie, and if she prodded him to get help as the “logical” thing to do. That’s a mature response to the issue. Whining like a soap opera queen, “You don’t care about me Spock,” is not. It kind of felt condescending, like that’s what they thought “women” would want to see. I could go on, but I won’t.


I wanted the same emotions he showed when they were the lift back in ST2009 as they were finally alone this time as well. I wanted him to hug her to hold her hands or to rest his forehead with hers....but Uhura walked away so quickly as if to say we will do all that later in the cabin............away from the audience so no one doesn't think I'm being unprofessional...well guess what babes I can't believe it but to read some of the reviews you would have thought they ripped each other's clothes off and had sex right then and there...many are feeling U (for some reason only Uhura is being singled out) was being unprofessional.
Well, his emotions were more clearly near the surface in ST09, and for good reason. Still, in this film, he could be stoic on duty and around people, but more outwardly emotional for Uhura when they are alone. I’d imagine that would take some effort on his part because it goes against his nature, but I could see him wanting to do that for her as well as a way to explore emotional expression in a healthy way.

I don’t know about the reviews you read, or where they were, but if they were singling Uhura out, then that’s not right.

One thing that bothered me was how little time they got, even for the one or two things that were shown, like that hallway scene where they peck each other on the lips. They didn’t even bother to take 20 seconds to show where at least one of them was coming from. You don’t know where they are going. If they both came back together, then why are they walking in separate directions going wherever? Their “resolution” was overly simplified there, imo. The scene is just dropped in there to cover a 5-10 second look/kiss that supposedly takes care of everything. I guess they needed the extra time for more actions scenes. Stuff crashing against stuff banging against stuff dropping on stuff is more important.


When I went to STID I had my mind set on two things--- hearing Benedict Cumberbatch's lucious voice (as I am a huge Sherlock fan) and seeing that beautiful chemistry between Zach and Zoe as my beloved Spock and Uhura. I'm not ashamed to say I was expecting some hugs, some kisses, some forehead touches, and some soulful eye contact....but instead to my horror TPTB didn't get my memo!
Well, they didn’t get mine either, but that’s beside the point. I don’t think it’s so much about “getting a memo” as it is about building on the great relationship that explores these 2 characters and their love for one another, against any odds, that was established in the first film. I was hoping for, even expecting, that. That’s not what I got. .


I was so happy for Zoe to get her wish to have a more active and involved Uhura as far as the action goes but instead of Kirk getting up hungover with two aliens with tails I would have loved a scene of domestic Spock and Uhura having a conversation as he was getting dressed for his meeting with Kirk and Pike, about Spock's actions in the volcano -the genesis of their miss-understanding and having a little argument where you could see Uhura decide she has to give him the cold shoulder. I just wanted MOAR!!!!

FanFic is great and has helped but nothing can beat actually seeing them on the big screen. I love them as a couple and respect if they want to handle all their kissy kissy hug hug behind closed doors but their the reason....I'm not ashamed....the MAJOR reason I went to STID and I feel the nay-sayers voices were louder than us lovers of S/U voices and I ended up with a hella cute scene of Uhura helping Spock to get kitted in his volcano suit but ended up with her not thinking to kiss--until after she had his helmet sealed. Argh!!!! :-)

Wow...I had feelings. :-D
Nothing’s wrong with having feelings. I’m glad that Uhura got to go on an away mission too, I just wish she had actually done something really useful is all. If they want to show Kirk with 2 cat girls, then that is fine with me. The movie was only about 2 hours long. They could have just added 2-5 extra minutes to cover S/U. I don’t think you have to take from another character to have something meaningful there for other characters, but I do think having something meaningful for each character requires a thoughtfulness that I’m not sure was demonstrated in this film. I truly appreciate the writer’s efforts, as well as everyone else involved. There are definitely people who got what they wanted out of this film, and for them I’m glad. Hopefully I get what I’m interested in with the next film?

I think their affection should be at a minimum while on missions. The work should come first, and not their personal feelings of affection for each other. They can express that when they are alone and during their off time (which should be covered in the film(s), imo). Unless it’s something really big, I don’t expect them to do any kissing at all in front of people. The transporter pad in the last film is an example of something big during a time when Spock was already very emotional under the surface, so it made sense for Uhura to supportively see him off and also express her hope for his safe return. The volcano thing was supposed to be an in-and-out mission with no hang ups, but of course that went awry…

It was nice reading your thoughts on S/U.
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@Spock/Uhura Fan - they are so gorgeous and even more so together. There is one gif on tumblr (I don't have a tumblr myself) where Uhura sort of places her hand on Spock's abdomen and I don't know if that is a deleted scene but I definitely didn't see that in the movie either.
this one?


I think it's a different angle of the scene where McCoy and Carol are playing with that torpedo and it looks bad for Bones before Carol saves the day
On the bridge they're all relieved especially Kirk and Uhura places her hand on his shoulder and then she goes to Spock and they hold hands.








actually he looked directly at Uhura and was including her in the decision making.
When Spock looks to Uhura, it's like he is asking for her permission to go but more than asking her permission it really is a hint that he now understands what she had been trying to tell him earlier because he knows she had took it wrong when earlier in the movie he almost died in the volcano, that she thought he didn't care about her and how she'd felt if something happened to him. The look reinforces what he told her in the shuttle about how the opposite is true and he does care.
and Uhura gets it now and she understands him so she gives him her permission.


I think that this is what Zachary Quinto and Zoe Saldana were referring to here:
Zachary Quinto:
“They’re really trying to understand each other, deepen their connection and grow their relationship. And I think that this is a challenging thing because they come from such different backgrounds and they’re such different individuals. In this movie you seem them working through that. You see the ways in which they misunderstand and miscommunicate, and you see the ways in which they understand and then come back together. You get the sense, I got the sense at least while I was working on it, that we were creating a dynamic and expanding a relationship that has a believable foundation and hopefully it will continue to evolve in that way.”

Zoe Saldana:

“It feels like a typical, contemporary love story(laughs). That’s one thing that’s great about working with J.J. and his team of writers, in that you’re going to be stepping into shoes of human beings – whether they’re superhuman, or whether they’re fighting battles. Even considering what they do as work, they’re still being challenged with everyday matters of the heart, you know? And they’re still being challenged with politics and self-discovery. So the story and the journey between Spock and Uhura is, in my opinion, she’s learning the kind of person he is, and she’s encouraging him to cater to his human side, to his human half. And there’s a conflict there, because he doesn’t want to be compromised, because he feels like if he’s to be compromised he’ll be weak and a lot of people will suffer.
And Uhura, she needs to learn to just understand his Vulcan side. She’s with a man who has duty before anything else, she needs to accept and embrace that when he tells her that she’s important to him, that she is.
Okay, first of all, I'm loving that gif.

Malaika, do you have a link to that interview. I haven't read this one. Still, I think that understanding each other better could be better worked on through bonding. I think they should be bonded by now, and that would allow them to forge that the kind of understanding/foundation that Zachary is talking about. I wonder when do we get to see that, if ever?
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Old May 30 2013, 08:34 PM   #265
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what you mean you never saw a recent photo of Zachary and Zoe?





and there is that absolutely hilarious interview done at The Jonathan Ross Show where they ponder about S/U having sex

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Okay, first of all, I'm loving that gif.

Malaika, do you have a link to that interview. I haven't read this one.
here's the links:
http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-star-t...-not-483030807
http://www.flicksandbits.com/2013/05...arkness/46281/




Still, I think that understanding each other better could be better worked on through bonding. I think they should be bonded by now, and that would allow them to forge that the kind of understanding/foundation that Zachary is talking about. I wonder when do we get to see that, if ever?
I dunno, that would be a tiny bit too convenient and too soon. If she can read his mind and feel his feelings all the time then where is the conflict (and the fun, say the writers ) ? It would be too easy for Spock, he'd have nothing to learn about himself and the relationship.
If they're to be bonded they have to earn it first and deal with the possible, realistic, issues of an interspecies couple first. It has to be a plus not the magic that will resolve any possible issue without having to deal with them like any couple do.
From the writers' POV they have to keep you in doubt about them till the end which means that you have to think that they might break up and you shouldn't take for granted (from their pov) that they get the happy end.
It's like that for every fictional pair, I think.
Honestly it's impossible for me to imagine them putting Spock in a romantic relationship and do nothing with it or keep it safe and peaceful all the time. It's Spock

That said, they might have some form of bond. Not official or finalized like one done with the help of a vulcan healer but some connection is possible. In the comics she's able to find him and save him at one point even though the enterprise had been trying without success. And it's showed in a glimpse of their backstory from when they started dating that he mind-melded with her.
It might even further explain Nyota's feelings in the movie and put a whole new perspective on him being closed off with her after the loss of vulcan. It's all speculations of course.

Though, the reason why she's angry with him in the movie is more obvious when you read the comics.
I don't know if in the movie his PTSD is obvious enough but in the comics it had been hinted over and over. After the loss of his mother and home planet he starts to act OOC and it's like he has a death wish. Uhura is the only one that notices it and she keeps trying to help him and make him understand but he's in denial about his grief.
That's foreshadowing of the whole volcano accident and misunderstanding between them in the movie and why she thinks that he doesn't care about his life and he doesn't care about how she'd feel if he died*

to summary it all with the key pages:




and then after she saves his ass (again) and he even understands how stupid his actions had been and apologizes to Kirk for his behavior:


and then you have the volcano accident and Uhura hears that he's willing to die there and then after they save him she hears that he's almost angry with Kirk because he saved his life. (a truly wtf moment Kirk's face is priceless)

Try to make a vulcan admit that he has a problem with his feelings. Good luck.
So of course she explodes in the shuttle (they might have died in the mission anyway so it was a "now before it's too late" situation too for her) and in that moment there is no escape for him he has to deal with that.
The speech by him is the winner IMO
(this is the version from the novelization)
"To even consider the idea of one’s death affecting a loved one would be so painful that the only logical option in that moment would be to choose to feel nothing instead. This was recently confirmed for me as Admiral Pike was dying. As I tried to comfort him, I briefly joined with his consciousness. I experienced what he felt at the moment of his passing. There was a surprising dearth of pain. In its place there was anger. Confusion. Loneliness. Fear. Nyota, you misunderstand my choice not to feel at that moment as an indication of not caring, while I assure you the truth was exactly the opposite."

IMO they nailed it.

Honestly? Beyond the Spock/Uhura romance I think that Spock's arc is the most interesting and it's a bit of a problem for me that the movie decided to focus so much on Kirk instead. I loved the Kirk/Pike relationship and that Kirk had to earn the captain's chair, I really did. But at the same time I wished for more balance and I feel like they wasted opportunities with Spock.
This essay sort of makes a similar observation:
http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and...trek-franchise
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what you mean you never saw a recent photo of Zachary and Zoe?

[hotness edited out for length]
No, I haven't. I guess I wasn't looking enough, but I am SO glad they have some pictures together. Thank you, Malaika.

and there is that absolutely hilarious interview done at The Jonathan Ross Show where they ponder about S/U having sex
Yeah, I don't watch the Jonathan Ross Show. I don't even know what that's about, but I'll look for the interview. I'm guessing it was funny?

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Okay, first of all, I'm loving that gif.

Malaika, do you have a link to that interview. I haven't read this one.
here's the links:
http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-star-t...-not-483030807
http://www.flicksandbits.com/2013/05...arkness/46281/
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Still, I think that understanding each other better could be better worked on through bonding. I think they should be bonded by now, and that would allow them to forge that the kind of understanding/foundation that Zachary is talking about. I wonder when do we get to see that, if ever?
I dunno, that would be a tiny bit too convenient and too soon. If she can read his mind and feel his feelings all the time then where is the conflict (and the fun, say the writers ) ? It would be too easy for Spock, he'd have nothing to learn about himself and the relationship.
Oh, I disagree. I don't think Bonding is as easy as pie. They'd have to "mesh" together, and that would take some time and practice, I'd think. She'd have to get used to how communicating telepathically with him works, as well as emotional exchanges, and because he's the telepath out of the two, he'd have to get used to making the proper adjustments for both of them and respecting her boundaries.

I don't see it as an easy walk in the park, but a winding road worth traveling. If you see it as easy, then I think you could be short-changing the bonding process, especially one between a human and a Vulcan.


If they're to be bonded they have to earn it first and deal with the possible, realistic, issues of an interspecies couple first. It has to be a plus not the magic that will resolve any possible issue without having to deal with them like any couple do.
They have been together for at least a few years. I think they have earned it.

And magic? I don't see it that way. I don't think that just because they are bonded that means that either one of them gets to snap their fingers and all of a sudden there are not issues. I DO think it means that they are more in tune with each other.


From the writers' POV they have to keep you in doubt about them till the end which means that you have to think that they might break up and you shouldn't take for granted (from their pov) that they get the happy end.
It's like that for every fictional pair, I think.
And that's what I don't like. The "will they/won't they" drama. I think it's tired and that it mainly gets used as a way to not have to deal with the perhaps more difficult task of writing a loving, believable, couple that deals with their own issues and those that are thrown at them.

It's not like that for every fictional pair, at least not the ones I really like.

Honestly it's impossible for me to imagine them putting Spock in a romantic relationship and do nothing with it or keep it safe and peaceful all the time. It's Spock
I can't imagine them doing nothing with them either, but you never know. I don't know about peace all of the time, but I do think the 2 of them should have a certain grace and understanding about their relationship. That just strikes me as the characters.

That said, they might have some form of bond. Not official or finalized like one done with the help of a vulcan healer but some connection is possible. In the comics she's able to find him and save him at one point even though the enterprise had been trying without success. And it's showed in a glimpse of their backstory from when they started dating that he mind-melded with her.
It might even further explain Nyota's feelings in the movie and put a whole new perspective on him being closed off with her after the loss of vulcan. It's all speculations of course.
I like your thoughts here. Interesting. I've had some similar thoughts myself.

Though, the reason why she's angry with him in the movie is more obvious when you read the comics.
I don't know if in the movie his PTSD is obvious enough but in the comics it had been hinted over and over.
Oh, don't get me started. I think they COMPLETELY dropped the ball with his issues in this film, and how they both dealt with those issues. It was practically glazed over after what happened to him was such a huge part of the last film.


After the loss of his mother and home planet he starts to act OOC and it's like he has a death wish. Uhura is the only one that notices it and she keeps trying to help him and make him understand but he's in denial about his grief.
That's foreshadowing of the whole volcano accident and misunderstanding between them in the movie and why she thinks that he doesn't care about his life and he doesn't care about how she'd feel if he died*
Once again. They. Dropped. The. Ball. Most people do not read the comics. It's fine if the comics add to what happens in the films, but to expect people to get from the comics what they should be getting from the films is just bad. Bad, bad, bad.

to summary it all with the key pages:

[edited for length]

and then after she saves his ass (again) and he even understands how stupid his actions had been and apologizes to Kirk for his behavior:

and then you have the volcano accident and Uhura hears that he's willing to die there and then after they save him she hears that he's almost angry with Kirk because he saved his life. (a truly wtf moment Kirk's face is priceless)

Try to make a vulcan admit that he has a problem with his feelings. Good luck.
So of course she explodes in the shuttle (they might have died in the mission anyway so it was a "now before it's too late" situation too for her) and in that moment there is no escape for him he has to deal with that.
The speech by him is the winner IMO
(this is the version from the novelization)
"To even consider the idea of one’s death affecting a loved one would be so painful that the only logical option in that moment would be to choose to feel nothing instead. This was recently confirmed for me as Admiral Pike was dying. As I tried to comfort him, I briefly joined with his consciousness. I experienced what he felt at the moment of his passing. There was a surprising dearth of pain. In its place there was anger. Confusion. Loneliness. Fear. Nyota, you misunderstand my choice not to feel at that moment as an indication of not caring, while I assure you the truth was exactly the opposite."

IMO they nailed it.
I still think there were some issues here, but I've already gone over them for the most part. I'll just reiterate that the shuttle scene worked for the action-action-action oriented plot of the film.

Honestly? Beyond the Spock/Uhura romance I think that Spock's arc is the most interesting and it's a bit of a problem for me that the movie decided to focus so much on Kirk instead. I loved the Kirk/Pike relationship and that Kirk had to earn the captain's chair, I really did. But at the same time I wished for more balance and I feel like they wasted opportunities with Spock.
This essay sort of makes a similar observation:
http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and...trek-franchise
I agree with the bolded very much. I also like Uhura and team focus as well. I think that's why I didn't care that much for this film. I don't feel like I got enough of any of those things. There were some things about this film I did like though, just not enough. Thanks for the link. I'll check it out later.
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@Spock/Uhura Fan - they are so gorgeous and even more so together. There is one gif on tumblr (I don't have a tumblr myself) where Uhura sort of places her hand on Spock's abdomen and I don't know if that is a deleted scene but I definitely didn't see that in the movie either.
this one?


I think it's a different angle of the scene where McCoy and Carol are playing with that torpedo and it looks bad for Bones before Carol saves the day
On the bridge they're all relieved especially Kirk and Uhura places her hand on his shoulder and then she goes to Spock and they hold hands.

YES, @Malaika, that one....I LOVE IT! I know it's only for a few seconds but imagine if you were me and S/U was your main reason for going to see this movie--regardless of the fact that I am a old time Star Trek lover---as I said in my 1st posting...LOL I am not ashamed at all to admit they brought me to the theatre over everyone else and then as you sat through the movie you seemed to have missed almost every instance of them showing togetherness and that they were still a loving couple. I was devastated after the first viewing...friends couldn't wait to hear me salivating about S/U as I did the 2009 movie and I just had nothing for them.

I've really not read anyone else complain about 2D so how in the world could I be the only person who has been to the movies twice and still not been able to focus enough to see sweet scene and the hand-holding. I definitely saw when Uhura comforted Kirk but after not Uhura going to Spock and no hand-holding at all.

I wish so much that I could see it once more but in IMAX but I think I better wait for the DVD so I can pause at will.

I was never looking for a make-out session---but I was expecting some growth...and I am so happy now that the step back I feared wasn't exactly correct on my part.
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I don't know what is going on with my computer but I can't seem to quote so I have to for now post as best I can (Frustrating.)

Thank you so much @Spock/Uhura Fan for your comprehensive responses to my posting!!! I LOVE IT!!!!



I wonder if you've seen the interview with Zach and Zoe on the Jonathan Ross show...they were super cute here and very loving to their characters. and the pictures are great every time they were allowed to be next to one another you could feel the warmth of their friendship. I wish they had more interviews together but like I said, I was eating up the pics and didn't have a inkling about what I saw on screen. They each spoke about there was trouble ahead but that's pretty all I knew as far as strife. I think my issues really stem from not seeing what was on-screen and then thinking it (the relationship) was heading for cob-web corner - never to be mentioned again.
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Oops, sorry Spock/Uhura Fan, I now see that you've already got a link from Malaika (I'm still reading the thread) this was a very nice and sweet interview.

@Malaika...I need to get me these comics...goodness this would have explained soo much! I didn't even know comics existed...I did read that Alan Dean Foster has authored STID and I wanted to get that so I could understand more--book and now I see comics are always so much better.
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@seven14 Thanks for the wonderful video. I feel better about them now. I started to wonder why I haven't seen them do anything like that for America, but then I figure the Triumvirate Lobby blocked it. Thank God for the U.K.
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