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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Who would you like to see Carol end up with?
Carol Single 4 23.53%
Carol/Bones McCoy 6 35.29%
Carol/James Kirk 6 35.29%
Carol/Other Character 1 5.88%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

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Old May 30 2013, 03:41 PM   #16
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Re: [spoiler] & Bones McCoy or James Kirk Relationship Thread

I'm conflicted about Carol because on one hand: yay another female character! but on the other hand she's kinda useless and forced in an existing group of characters that is already big and there is hardly the time to develop them let alone develop another character.
I worry that with only one movie left the "quantity" will end up ruining the quality here.

romance-vise here's the thing: romance isn't the point in star trek and they hardly have the time to handle the Spock/Uhura thing that is very subtle anyway.
The main relationship and most of the focus will always be on Kirk/Spock and their friendship then they have already introduced the Spock/Uhura dynamic and the Kirk/Bones and Kirk/Uhura friendships. If you add Kirk/Carol too this will become the Kirk's show and him and Spock won't be equal as protagonists anymore and honestly I'm not interested about a Kirk show. My biggest problem with this movie is how Kirk centered it was. Been there, done that.

Besides, I never liked the original Carol and I never thought that the Kirk/Carol thing was supposed to be this big love story that we absolutely need to see again in another reality. I mean, they have a fling when they're young and they have a son but Carol denies Kirk the chance to know him so kirk doesn't even know he exists he gets to know that only many years later when he's old and it's too late to be a father.
Honestly I'd prefer him with Rand or the onion girl Gaila or a completely original character.

I have to add that reading the after darkness comic is sort of confirming my worries about her character and how she seems forced.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:54 PM   #17
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Re: [spoiler] & Bones McCoy or James Kirk Relationship Thread

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Old May 30 2013, 04:00 PM   #18
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If you add Kirk/Carol too this will become the Kirk's show and him and Spock won't be equal as protagonists anymore and honestly I'm not interested about a Kirk show. My biggest problem with this movie is how Kirk centered it was. Been there, done that.
The Orci/Kurtzman Trek will always be Kirk-centered, though. IMO Bad Robot sports a serious hard on for the dude.

Besides, I never liked the original Carol and I never thought that the Kirk/Carol thing was supposed to be this big love story that we absolutely need to see again in another reality. I mean, they have a fling when they're young and they have a son but Carol denies Kirk the chance to know him so kirk doesn't even know he exists he gets to know that only many years later when he's old and it's too late to be a father.
I think Carol did tell him that David was his long before TWOK. I didn't get the idea from TWOK that she never told Kirk until the events of TWOK. Where did you get that impression?

I have to add that reading the after darkness comic is sort of confirming my worries about her character and how she seems forced.
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Hmm... yes, it's worrisome. Ugh.
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Old May 30 2013, 04:01 PM   #19
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Re: [spoiler] & Bones McCoy or James Kirk Relationship Thread

Carol and Kirk so we can another David but this time one who isn't a huge bitch with a crap haircut.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:13 PM   #20
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It would be interesting if Carol swung towards Bones. If only because the poor grumpy doctor just isn't getting any love.
Then vote for it! I feel the same way too. I think he'd be a better boyfriend. I don't think Kirk is ready to stop sampling the buffet just yet.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:26 PM   #21
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Oh ok ok I see. You want Kirk to be single so he can have more threesomes.

I get you.
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Old May 30 2013, 07:07 PM   #22
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Oh ok ok I see. You want Kirk to be single so he can have more threesomes.

I get you.
Lol, that is not true. I just don't think he's ready for something serious. I could be wrong, though. If he settles down with Carol on the Enterprise I will have no problem with that.

I still like her with Bones, though.
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Old May 30 2013, 07:11 PM   #23
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think Carol did tell him that David was his long before TWOK. I didn't get the idea from TWOK that she never told Kirk until the events of TWOK. Where did you get that impression?
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Old May 30 2013, 07:54 PM   #24
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Re: [spoiler] & Bones McCoy or James Kirk Relationship Thread

If they're going to bother shoehorning Carol into the new universe, I want her to end up in a healthy relationship with Kirk. It wouldn't surprise me if the next movie picks up 5 years later and Kirk has a 4 year old kid with her too.

I don't think that Bones is ready for another relationship after his divorce. Since he had to leave Earth afterwards and joined Starfleet, the divorce probably put him off of relationships for a while.
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Old May 30 2013, 10:51 PM   #25
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DaleC76 wrote: View Post
think Carol did tell him that David was his long before TWOK. I didn't get the idea from TWOK that she never told Kirk until the events of TWOK. Where did you get that impression?
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You had your world and I had mine.
I wanted him in mine, not chasing
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But you didn't post what Kirk said to Carol after David attacked him.

Kirk (dodges attack and looks at Carol): THAT'S David?!

He knew who David was. He just hadn't met him (probably since he was a baby etc).

That's my take and I'm sticking to it
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Old May 30 2013, 10:53 PM   #26
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If they're going to bother shoehorning Carol into the new universe, I want her to end up in a healthy relationship with Kirk. It wouldn't surprise me if the next movie picks up 5 years later and Kirk has a 4 year old kid with her too.

I don't think that Bones is ready for another relationship after his divorce. Since he had to leave Earth afterwards and joined Starfleet, the divorce probably put him off of relationships for a while.
IF they can write it well then this would be good. Kirk has abandonment issues. I think Carol could be a good psychological foil for dealing with those. But I have no hope in Orci/Kurtzman being able to write intelligently about deeper emotional issues.
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Old May 31 2013, 02:26 AM   #27
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If they can write it well then this would be good. Kirk has abandonment issues. I think Carol could be a good psychological foil for dealing with those. But I have no hope in Orci/Kurtzman being able to write intelligently about deeper emotional issues.
I cannot wait until Orci/Kurtzman & Abrams are no longer attached to Star Trek or at least aren't the sole creators of new Trek. If they can't write good Kirk/Carol, Paramount should find someone who can. This new version of Trek will not get any real growth to it until it is spread out to other writers and producers like Trek was on TV. TV Trek always left it that if you had a writer you didn't like, don't worry, the next several episodes are by different writers.

Think about this; Star Trek didn't develop franchise fatigue until Braga started being given more control over the franchise.

Sorry about the rant, but that's how I feel.

Back on track about relationships; I never liked the Spock/Uhura thing. Thanks to the Final Frontier being the 1st Trek film I ever saw, I always felt that Uhura should be with Scotty.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:11 AM   #28
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I think it would be more fun with Bones. I agree there isn't much time for developing another romantic interest. But this is an argument for favoring Carol/Bones over her and Kirk. With McCoy it'll be a lighter and more humorous affair.

I'd rather see Kirk continue to be a womanizer.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:13 AM   #29
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^Thank you, Talosian. I think she could offset Bones' crankiness really well. It's been a while since his divorce. The guy's gotta be lonely.
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Old May 31 2013, 12:04 PM   #30
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I think she should stay single or swing wherever she wants. If she ended up with Kirk she'd just become another needy female character and that is exactly what NuTrek doesn't need.
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