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Old May 30 2013, 02:03 PM   #91
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One thing I'd like to see them avoid: shout-outs to the other series. If they want to keep that authentic feel then approach it like the other shows haven't happened yet. TAS gave them a small window in terms of the holodeck, but McKenna's counsellor should be reconciled in some way and leave it at that. She could still be a psychiatrist trying out this new role as counsellor. But, please, oh please, leave the other shows out of it.
It didnt bother me, despite never seeing one before TNG they couldnt have been a new thing, they have people to do that in the current military so why not Starfleet - as long as they dont have her constantly on the Bridge like Troi.

Have her in sickbay talking with injured crewmen or in an office maybe even have her as an additional person Kirk could come to learn to talk to when in a moment of crisis like he does McCoy.

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While this first episode was a sequel, something TOS never did although TAS did (again that small rationalizing window), I appreciate they avoided the faniish approach of space battles and time travel and crossovers (the first New Voyages/Phase II effort really made me cringe) What they really need now are solid stories as if they were really writing for TOS rather than indulging in the "wouldn't it be kewl if we had seen..." mentality.
The Enterprise doing loop da loops in fighter style dog fights was a bit off putting in New Voyages but calmed down, I would hope for a story driven and dramatic tale which involves a space ship fight... its been a staple of Star Trek since Balance of Terror.

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Old May 30 2013, 02:59 PM   #92
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While this first episode was a sequel, something TOS never did although TAS did (again that small rationalizing window), I appreciate they avoided the faniish approach of space battles and time travel and crossovers (the first New Voyages/Phase II effort really made me cringe) What they really need now are solid stories as if they were really writing for TOS rather than indulging in the "wouldn't it be kewl if we had seen..." mentality.
The Enterprise doing loop da loops in fighter style dog fights was a bit off putting in New Voyages but calmed down, I would hope for a story driven and dramatic tale which involves a space ship fight... its been a staple of Star Trek since Balance of Terror.
Yeah, but it wasn't in every episode or even every other episode. Same with time travel. TOS did space combat about fourteen times out of seventy-nine episodes and time-travel four times. Neither of those were any constant staples.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:26 PM   #93
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Maybe not a constant staple, but space combat in TOS always had drama and a decent story behind it, which is what I meant by a staple, the combination.

Other Treks, especially Voyager, just seemed to have fights every other episode, most where the ship gets fired on and little happens... Contrast that to Balance of Terror and you get a story where a whole lot more happens than the fight with a lone Romulan Bird of Prey.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:33 PM   #94
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Maybe not a constant staple, but space combat in TOS always had drama and a decent story behind it, which is what I meant by a staple, the combination.

Other Treks, especially Voyager, just seemed to have fights every other episode, most where the ship gets fired on and little happens... Contrast that to Balance of Terror and you get a story where a whole lot more happens than the fight with a lone Romulan Bird of Prey.
Fair enough.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:26 PM   #95
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This was FUN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&g...ded&nomobile=1

It was almost like coming home again. JJ and TOS-R can eat their hearts out.
I thought that on a technical level, it was fantastic, on an acting level, it was overall good; but honestly, I felt they tried to go too TNGish in a couple of areas:

1) A ship's counselor on a ship in the TOS era? (loved the actress BTW - very nice to look at ) - Come on. And I'd say the experiment failed as we never saw such ten years later in the TOS film era.

2) Kirk, wanting a consensus from his senior staff before je decides what he'll do? Seriously, are they trying to channel Picard in here? remember a great Kirk line from "The Corbomite Maneuver":

Kirk: "I'll keep that in mind Mr. Bailey, when this becomes a democracy."

Kirk does have conferences and does ask for opinions, BUT in the end, he usually makes his own decisions.

(And the above is nit picky I grant you, I just really do enjoy what they've done to date; but I'd ask the writing staff to keep the TOS era in mind, and try not to insert TNG style character elements.)
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Old May 30 2013, 05:44 PM   #96
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I don't know. The sets and effects were good, but the acting was cringe-inducing for me. Everyone tries too hard. I seem to always find the acting in these fan productions off-putting, even when pros are involved. Maybe it's the script rather than the actors. I'm not sure.

And is it really only Trek if it looks like the Sixties vision of the future? I'd rather just enjoy the three seasons that were made than watch fan productions that try to recreate glory days.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:54 PM   #97
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I thought that on a technical level, it was fantastic, on an acting level, it was overall good; but honestly, I felt they tried to go too TNGish in a couple of areas:

1) A ship's counselor on a ship in the TOS era? (loved the actress BTW - very nice to look at ) - Come on. And I'd say the experiment failed as we never saw such ten years later in the TOS film era.

2) Kirk, wanting a consensus from his senior staff before je decides what he'll do? Seriously, are they trying to channel Picard in here? remember a great Kirk line from "The Corbomite Maneuver":

Kirk: "I'll keep that in mind Mr. Bailey, when this becomes a democracy."

Kirk does have conferences and does ask for opinions, BUT in the end, he usually makes his own decisions.

(And the above is nit picky I grant you, I just really do enjoy what they've done to date; but I'd ask the writing staff to keep the TOS era in mind, and try not to insert TNG style character elements.)
No, can't argue with those points. In fact they've been made by numerous people wherever this is being talked about---and believe me the sense is it is really being talked about.

I'd like to think these folks might have their fingers on the pulse of fandom and catching some of our remarks. They should take heart that overall their work is being well received and the nits are few and minor and can be easily addressed in the next project.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:10 PM   #98
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And is it really only Trek if it looks like the Sixties vision of the future? I'd rather just enjoy the three seasons that were made than watch fan productions that try to recreate glory days.
This.

I have no doubt everyone involved in making these has a lot of fun and is doing it for the love, and that's great, but I can't get through even two minutes of these fanwanks. Star Trek should be about the hopes and wonders of our own future, not merely escape into a 1960s alternate vision of the future. Star Trek is about addressing our own world and looking forward, not clinging to a past we can't let go of.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:17 PM   #99
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And is it really only Trek if it looks like the Sixties vision of the future? I'd rather just enjoy the three seasons that were made than watch fan productions that try to recreate glory days.
This.

I have no doubt everyone involved in making these has a lot of fun and is doing it for the love, and that's great, but I can't get through even two minutes of these fanwanks. Star Trek should be about the hopes and wonders of our own future, not merely escape into a 1960s alternate vision of the future. Star Trek is about addressing our own world and looking forward, not clinging to a past we can't let go of.
Uh...yeah.

Seriously you can still stick to just the three seasons if thats what you want and ignore the rest.

I've made no secret with my views about a lot of contemporary Trek and I haven't been a fan of most fan productions for similar reasons you've cited. But with that said I can appreciate that these folks are expressing (and sharing) their interest in simply a different way than others are. I do have to say I think the STC folks have indeed raised the bar for these kinds of productions. And while I certainly don't consider it canon I do find it enjoyable in much the same way I can enjoy a good comic or decently written novel revisiting familiar characters in a familiar universe.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:34 PM   #100
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I'm just curious as to what others find appealing in these fan productions that I don't. Maybe I'm just not seeing something? Or just letting a prejudice get in the way?

On the other hand, why do some fans prefer these fan productions but spurn the official productions? Clearly the recasting of parts isn't the problem, since both official and fan productions have recast. Is it the differing sets? The effects? The script and dialogue delivery?

I just want to understand the appeal of fan productions even if I never share the same the opinion of them as others do. That's where I am puzzled.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:42 PM   #101
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For me part of the difference is the intent. The STC folks want to recapture the flavour of the original. JJ remade what we had into something different and often not positive (in my opinion). It's just a lot of noise and flash but little to no substance or depth of feeling.
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Old May 30 2013, 07:22 PM   #102
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I don't really see any difference in intent between these fan films and the novels that have been written about the TOS period. People want more and have almost since the series ended. If fans were able to do these sorts of films in the 1970's you can bet that they would have. I see it as just a desire to continue on with something that the people love. Let's face it; we've seen the original episodes so many times and still love them but it's cool to see something fresh, IMO.
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Old May 30 2013, 08:33 PM   #103
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I don't really see any difference in intent between these fan films and the novels that have been written about the TOS period. People want more and have almost since the series ended. If fans were able to do these sorts of films in the 1970's you can bet that they would have. I see it as just a desire to continue on with something that the people love. Let's face it; we've seen the original episodes so many times and still love them but it's cool to see something fresh, IMO.
Yeah, I think that's a large part of it---getting back to something many feel we didn't get enough of.
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Old May 30 2013, 08:40 PM   #104
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But what is "fresh" about "Pilgrim of Eternity"? And what kind of name is that anyway? Why is it fresh to revisit Apollo? Most of the episode is about him. Why should I care about the god Apollo again? Besides, didn't he die in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" Now he's not only not dead, he's immortal.

Let me ask this - if this fan episode had been shot on the JJTrek sets, with JJTrek costumes, and why not, even used the JJTrek actors, would it still be "fresh"? Or would it have turned off the same people who are applauding it currently?
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Old May 30 2013, 09:07 PM   #105
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"Pilgrim of Eternity" is a line from the Shelly poem "Adonais" which is where the title from the original TOS episode came from as well.

If you would like to read it; here is the link:
http://classiclit.about.com/library/...el-adonais.htm

Let's face it; some people like these things and some don't. If you don't find it fresh by all means don't watch it. The overwhelming response has been positive but you can't please everyone.
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