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Old May 30 2013, 06:41 AM   #1
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Miranda Class VS Refit Constitution class round 2

Imagine if a Miranda Class ship and a refit Constitution class ship, meet in open space, for battle. Both ships have federation captains with tactical and strategic skills and experience equaling that of Kirk, and both have seasoned crews of equal caliber. Neither captain or crew have the codes to the other ship

No Nebulas to cause interference, no planets or moons to hide behind, and no black holes or quasars or phenomena to get in the way. Just open, dark space. Both ships have a full compliment of torpedos and phaser banks are fully charges. Both ships are at their peak of technological capability during the same year as TWOK.

Now imagine that there is a Q behind this match up, and this Q wants to know who wins and who loses. The Q will ensure neither ship will stray into space that is any different than open, unoccupied space. The battle will go on until there is a winner and there can be only one victor. Both must stand toe to toe, and retreat is not an option. One ship must destroy the other, or the Q will destroy both ships, and each ship knows this.

Which ship wins?
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Old May 30 2013, 07:15 AM   #2
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Old May 30 2013, 12:38 PM   #3
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Re: Miranda Class VS Refit Constitution class round 2

So basically your question is "which of those two ship classes is stronger ?" ? Why not ask that ?

Miranda seems a bit more advanced and has more combat-oriented weaponry, I guess. It's hard to tell.
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Old May 30 2013, 12:47 PM   #4
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i think miranda class is better armer and a little more advanced than constitution refit.

Miranda has more torpido lunchers, those to phaser cannons plus the same normal phaser of the con. refit
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Old May 30 2013, 01:33 PM   #5
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Re: Miranda Class VS Refit Constitution class round 2

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So basically your question is "which of those two ship classes is stronger ?" ? Why not ask that ?
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I dunno. Because I had fun writing out the scenario??
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Old May 30 2013, 01:42 PM   #6
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Ok. :P But just open space is boring for a battle.
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Old May 30 2013, 01:49 PM   #7
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Re: Miranda Class VS Refit Constitution class round 2

Connie wins with a late round KO
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Old May 30 2013, 01:57 PM   #8
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Connie wipes the floor with the Miranda. The only reason Reliant had a shot against the Enterprise is because Admiral Kirk was an idiot.
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Old May 30 2013, 02:57 PM   #9
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Connie wipes the floor with the Miranda. The only reason Reliant had a shot against the Enterprise is because Admiral Kirk was an idiot.
It's the reason they took a beating, but the idea was that the Reliant was a more advanced starship. It's also more heavily armed, so even in a fair fight it might not be a Constitution win.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:54 PM   #10
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A lot of this was covered in a previous "Miranda as combat monster" thread.

There may be differences between the two ship classes beyond visually counting photorp tubes and phaser banks.

If you wanna accept the ships as "heavy cruiser" or "frigate" or "light cruiser", there may be differences.

Sure, you can count the phaser banks and compare numerical superiority. But maybe the Constitution class phasers are an equivalent of a battleship 15" gun while the Miranda class phasers are equivalent to a cruiser's 8" gun.

Maybe the Miranda's torpedo pod carried a smaller less powerful torpedo type than the Constitution class.

Perhaps the deflectors were also different, the Constitution had battleship-like 12" of armor type versus the Miranda 10" of armor type.

And don't even start with the mega-phaser cannon thing...

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Old May 30 2013, 03:57 PM   #11
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A lot of this was covered in an previous "Miranda as combat monster" thread.

There may be differences between the two ship classes beyond visually counting photorp tubes and phaser banks.

If you wanna accept the ships as "heavy cruiser" or "frigate" or "light cruiser", there may be differences.

Sure, you can count the phaser banks and compare numerical superiority. But maybe the Constitution class phasers are an equivalent of a battleship 15" gun while the Miranda class phasers are equivalent to a cruiser's 8" gun.

Maybe the Miranda's torpedo pod carried a smaller less powerful torpedo type than the Constitution class.

Perhaps the deflectors were also different, the Constitution had battleship-like 12" of armor type versus the Miranda 10" of armor type.

And don't even start with the mega-phaser cannon thing...
Yes, and that's why I think the Connie class (circa 2282) is still the king.

Her shields and power systems may still be superior to the Miranda class and that actual phaser power outputs may be different between the two classes.
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Old May 30 2013, 04:26 PM   #12
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Re: Miranda Class VS Refit Constitution class round 2

Probably not canon, but in the old games like Klingon Academy, the Miranda always seemed to be fairly weaker than a Constitution Class. I never felt they were ever on equal footing, and let's face it, a lot of people like me enjoyed trying to recreate a Wrath of Khan type battle. I think they may have been slightly more powerful in Starfleet Command, mainly because the use of missiles could really even the battle against a stronger opponent.
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Old May 30 2013, 04:49 PM   #13
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If you wanna accept the ships as "heavy cruiser" or "frigate" or "light cruiser", there may be differences.
The Miranda's not really lighter than the Constitution, though. Maybe a bit, but in total volume, say, it's about the same. It just looks smaller because it's more compact. Anyway, I don't remember where I read this, but the Reliant in TWOK was meant to be more advanced. Whether this translates as "more powerful" is a matter for debate.

Sure, you can count the phaser banks and compare numerical superiority. But maybe the Constitution class phasers are an equivalent of a battleship 15" gun while the Miranda class phasers are equivalent to a cruiser's 8" gun.
Again, from TWOK, the weapons and hulls seem evenly matched. Of course we don't have much to go by.

Maybe the Miranda's torpedo pod carried a smaller less powerful torpedo type than the Constitution class.
Maybe it carried Cracker Jack boxes.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:06 PM   #14
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I always thought the Miranda as a light Crusier, simple easy to upgrade and refit hence it long life.

The constitution a purpose built heavy cruiser with heavy weapony and sheilds built for the time due to its use for long range exploration.

I thing in the 2270's a Miranda verse a Constitution would result in a win for the Constitution but with heavy damage. By 2300's I think Miranda's would wipe the floor.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:37 PM   #15
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Connie wipes the floor with the Miranda. The only reason Reliant had a shot against the Enterprise is because Admiral Kirk was an idiot.
It's the reason they took a beating, but the idea was that the Reliant was a more advanced starship. It's also more heavily armed, so even in a fair fight it might not be a Constitution win.
Is any of this in the actual movie or just shit folks have made up after the fact?
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