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Old May 29 2013, 03:42 AM   #31
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Re: If STID was a SNW submission... (SPOILERS)

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It did backfire on him with me. I have said loud and often that I refuse to give Abrams a dime if he reboots an episode, especially if he brought back Khan.
Using Khan doesn't mean he's rehashing an episode (or movie). The overall plot, and most of the details, were unique.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:31 AM   #32
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Re: If STID was a SNW submission... (SPOILERS)

Using Khan doesn't mean he's rehashing an episode (or movie). The overall plot, and most of the details, were unique.
"Most", he says. Is it too much to ask for "all"?

Khan's story has already been told. I never wanted anybody to tell(yes, rehash) it again. Didn't we already have a Wrath of Khan tribute in Nemesis?
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Old May 29 2013, 06:03 AM   #33
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Using Khan doesn't mean he's rehashing an episode (or movie). The overall plot, and most of the details, were unique.
"Most", he says. Is it too much to ask for "all"?

Khan's story has already been told. I never wanted anybody to tell(yes, rehash) it again. Didn't we already have a Wrath of Khan tribute in Nemesis?
Kirk's story has already been told too. But we've been given a fresh contemporary take on a classic, iconic character who now has an alternate history to take us in directions that are different, but strangely similar.
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Old May 29 2013, 06:20 AM   #34
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Using Khan doesn't mean he's rehashing an episode (or movie). The overall plot, and most of the details, were unique.
"Most", he says. Is it too much to ask for "all"?

Khan's story has already been told. I never wanted anybody to tell(yes, rehash) it again. Didn't we already have a Wrath of Khan tribute in Nemesis?
You know not of which you speak.

Khan's character arc in STID is completely different from his TOS/TWOK arc.
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Old May 29 2013, 01:39 PM   #35
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Yeah, of all the complaints you can levy against into Darkness, retreading "Space Seed" and The Wrath of Khan is not one of them.
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Old May 29 2013, 02:24 PM   #36
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IIRC, Abrams PROMISED us there would be no Khan in this movie. What good are you if you have to lie to people to get them to see your movie?
Abrams didn't. Simon Pegg and Alice Eve both denied Cumberbatch's character was Khan, and Cumberbatch himself made a comment which was open to interpretation ("I'm tired of having to deny I'm playing Khan"). But Abrams and his minions never promised Khan wouldn't be involved. Indeed, it was one of his minions who first spilled that John Harrison was an alias. But also, when Karl Urban said Cumberbatch was Gary Mitchell, Orci wasted no time debunking that.
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Old May 29 2013, 07:00 PM   #37
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It was just marketing to pique the interest of movie-goers. Seems like it might have backfired on him though.
It did backfire on him with me. I have said loud and often that I refuse to give Abrams a dime if he reboots an episode, especially if he brought back Khan.

I get that he rebooted the series. I applaud him for that. But why retell an old story?
All I care about is if the movie is good. Star Trek Into Darkness is a good movie.
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Old May 29 2013, 07:08 PM   #38
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And JD, I assume you have a copy of Star Trek II lying around. Could you go look at it before you spell it "Kahn" again, please?
Many people misspell it. Does it really matter?
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Old May 30 2013, 01:50 AM   #39
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Thank you. I don't understand why a simple misspelling got such a strong reaction.
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Old May 30 2013, 02:00 AM   #40
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We're Star Trek fans. Strong overreations to trivial things is what we do.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:33 AM   #41
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We're Star Trek fans. Strong overreations to trivial things is what we do.
No it's not! HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?!?

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Old May 30 2013, 01:07 PM   #42
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Using Khan doesn't mean he's rehashing an episode (or movie). The overall plot, and most of the details, were unique.
"Most", he says. Is it too much to ask for "all"?

Khan's story has already been told. I never wanted anybody to tell(yes, rehash) it again. Didn't we already have a Wrath of Khan tribute in Nemesis?
Kirk's story has already been told too. But we've been given a fresh contemporary take on a classic, iconic character who now has an alternate history to take us in directions that are different, but strangely similar.
How about directions that are different and not even remotely similar?
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Old May 30 2013, 10:44 PM   #43
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The movie was great fun but being written with 12-year old boys in mind does pretty much sum it up. Except for the bit of romance for the laydeeez.
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Old May 30 2013, 11:38 PM   #44
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The movie was great fun but being written with 12-year old boys in mind does pretty much sum it up. Except for the bit of romance for the laydeeez.
I've yet to see a Trek that doesn't cater to 12-year old boys on some level. Hell, I'm a 12-year old boy at heart.
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Old May 31 2013, 12:41 AM   #45
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The movie was great fun but being written with 12-year old boys in mind does pretty much sum it up. Except for the bit of romance for the laydeeez.
I've yet to see a Trek that doesn't cater to 12-year old boys on some level. Hell, I'm a 12-year old boy at heart.
Lol true - but I think the best Treks work on multiple levels. I just prefer those levels not to be dumb and dumber
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