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Old May 27 2013, 07:58 PM   #46
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Re: First Contact alternate timeline

What is important to remember is that Trek is a fictional media franchise. The rules of time-travel work whatever way the writer decided it does. Star Trek has used both the "changes to a single timeline" & "changes create alternate timelines" depending completely upon what the writers have decided and what makes rational, logical sense to fans.

Disagree if you want, but I am of these opinions:

1. Time travel affects only the original timeline unless specifically stated by the writers through an episode or film.

2. Time travel issues band-aid themselves because, as stated by Spock in City on the Edge, "time is fluid, like a river, with currents, eddies, backwash." As long as it wasn't some major thing like a death that wasn't supposed to happen, the water doesn't look any different "downstream."

3. Enterprise naming conventions are just a normal (not thought up during previous series) continuity error (Enterprise was retired before the Federation formed and is thus not the "first starship to bear the name")

4. nuTrek takes place within a different continuity entirely. Nero & Spock-a-cola Classic didn't just move backwards through time, but sideways as well into the past of an alternate universe entirely. One where things looked different & smelled different already (explaining why Benedict Cumberbatch is now a white guy and Starbuck is female). Where the past has not yet been affected by people from the future.

4A. No one from a different, "possible" future changed this universe's past either. No Enterprise-A crew in 1980's San Francisco, Enterprise-E crew in 2063 Montana ,etc. This universe has unfolded as it did originally. So far*

*changes will eventually be written in by nuTrek's writers.

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Old May 28 2013, 01:48 PM   #47
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I , too, think the universe depicted in Trek 09 and Into Darkness, is a parallel universe from the beginning. Long before Nero's incursion. It's one of the countless universes in Trek (as seen in Parallels, TNG). With similar, but different, people.

It solves the continuity issues people have with the new films

However, I think Enterprise is in the same universe as TOS, TAS, the movies 1-10, and TNG, DS9, and VOY. First Contact didn't affect the timeline. The NX-01 was always called Enterprise.
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Old May 29 2013, 06:17 AM   #48
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You know we could always take the piss and assume ENT is a potential past of several different universes. Most notably NuTrek and the curious TATV which seems to take place during TNG Pegasus despite them not lining up symmetrically. Riker and Troi's age difference, the way events unfolded in Pegasus differ from the way they were shown in TATV, Troi's hair, Riker's decision to confide in Troi in TATV the way not shown in Pegasus, other things that make you want to punch a hole in a wall at B&B's lazy attempt to float TATV as the same story as Pegasus. Maybe in this timeline the ENT-D was never destroyed like it was shown in GEN. The Next Gen crew's adventures happened at later points in their lives.

Why couldn't they just have TATV be set post-NEM if they wanted to bring back Riker and Troi?

This is a hypothetical "taking the piss" scenario mind you.

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Old May 29 2013, 09:51 AM   #49
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You know we could take the piss even further with the alternate timeline theory. Consider with what we see in STID.



The whole parallel universe/slide timeline thing may have even more weight than we thought. Haha

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Old May 29 2013, 10:45 AM   #50
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Why couldn't they just have TATV be set post-NEM if they wanted to bring back Riker and Troi?
I've asked myself that question a thousand times ... a short glimpse at the Titan would have brought a nice closure to TNG.
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Old May 29 2013, 10:58 AM   #51
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Why couldn't they just have TATV be set post-NEM if they wanted to bring back Riker and Troi?
I've asked myself that question a thousand times ... a short glimpse at the Titan would have brought a nice closure to TNG.
I Know right? It's so simple just make the Titan a galaxy glass ship or at least say it has the same interior as a galaxy class.

I forever maintain TATV is a lazy, poor and mean spirited episode.
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Old May 29 2013, 02:20 PM   #52
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I forever maintain TATV is a lazy, poor and mean spirited episode.
Hear, here.

Perhaps it was toned down. Maybe they wanted to kill off Porthos, but were voted down by the PETA-fearing brass (or Windy, Breezy and Prada had a better agent than Connor Trinneer's).
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Old May 29 2013, 03:28 PM   #53
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You know we could take the piss even further with the alternate timeline theory. Consider with what we see in STID.



The whole parallel universe/slide timeline thing may have even more weight than we thought. Haha
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Old May 29 2013, 05:00 PM   #54
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Old May 29 2013, 06:41 PM   #55
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I forever maintain TATV is a lazy, poor and mean spirited episode.
Hear, here.

Perhaps it was toned down. Maybe they wanted to kill off Porthos, but were voted down by the PETA-fearing brass (or Windy, Breezy and Prada had a better agent than Connor Trinneer's).
What is TATV?
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Old May 29 2013, 07:00 PM   #56
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What is TATV?
Yanks from StarTrek.com forums?

LOL, you should know, it's your favorite episode, dude.
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Old May 29 2013, 07:03 PM   #57
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What is TATV?
These Are The Voyages... The series finale of Enterprise.
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Old May 29 2013, 07:45 PM   #58
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What is TATV?
These Are The Voyages... The series finale of Enterprise.
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