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Old May 29 2013, 11:33 AM   #16
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David wasn't gay anyway.

He was having it on with Saavik.

See the publicity photos for STIV.

Anyway I'm not happy with a sexualised child in any shows except maybe documentaries. David's at most going to be 4 or 5.

Pick someone else. The only one's who have been shown to be in a heterosexual relationship are Spock, Uhura, Kirk and maybe McCoy (ex-wife). You've got Scotty, Keenser, Sulu, Chekov, Marcus or anyone else in the crew.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:07 PM   #17
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So you've ruled out Scotty and Keenser as a couple? Lots of extra time on that ice planet with no other company....
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Old May 29 2013, 06:25 PM   #18
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How come when it comes to the discussion of Carol and Kirk's child, it's always a son? This isn't the same universe. They could do a different spin on things.
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Old May 29 2013, 06:26 PM   #19
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Can Kirk have kids in this timeline?
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Old May 29 2013, 06:31 PM   #20
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See the publicity photos for STIV.
Isn't David dead by the time STIV happened?
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Old May 29 2013, 06:51 PM   #21
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Can Kirk have kids in this timeline?
That's a good question, really.

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Old May 29 2013, 07:01 PM   #22
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Old May 29 2013, 07:52 PM   #23
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Old May 29 2013, 08:20 PM   #24
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Old May 29 2013, 09:11 PM   #25
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Old May 29 2013, 09:31 PM   #26
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Dear God we just wrote all of Trek XIII.

Orci, Kurtzman, et al. YOU'RE WELCOME.
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Dear God we just wrote all of Trek XIII.

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Well, there is one thing left out
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Old May 30 2013, 12:13 AM   #28
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Lol. We should get Christine Chapel AND Janice Rand AND Carol Marcus AND Uhura and maybe a few more besides.

It's possible that Carol my leave the sequel up the duff but only if they don't want to use her character in the animated series. Given how little respect they have for their female characters, that seems likely.

Sulu definitely liked women. Whether he liked only women is another matter.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:01 AM   #29
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gonna come out of the womb a lanky 20-something with a Greatest American Hero perm.
zomg, THIS^^^ Somehow, I think it could only work if (s)he had mom's accent.

While I try to get the Greatest American Hero themesong out of my head, please consider an aspect of Trek overlooked so far in this thread: rapid aging. There's that one where they all went gray until Bones brewed up just the right cocktail, there's Adm. Jameson, Deanna's baby, and the one where "One" grew up from cute little Borg baby to flying around in space and doing so many zany things... in a single episode.

Since we're considering the next film, perhaps the prime example would be Saavik and Spock. According to the cast credits for TSFS, newly resurrected Spock ranges in age from 9 to 25. To any initiate Trekker, the lore regarding, and even the gesticulations involved with, the Pon Far are well known. It wasn't merely implied that Saavik helped out Spock, we know to a certainty as hardcore fans what wound up happening. And this all took place not in a single episode, or even the span of an entire motion picture, but just a handful of scenes. With so many bizarre things happening in the last two films, as recounted in loads of threads here, there has to be a myriad of possibilities. Where there's a will, there's a way, right?

I think it is a good point to make that if you see fit to withhold your objection to Saavik / rapidly aging Spock b/c the characters are doing something 100% hetero, to make an objection b/c any of the characters are doing what gays do would result in unequal treatment and prejudice at the least, and to borrow a phrase from 60s Kirk, "bigoted" at the worst.

And although he may have gained a few pounds during the years, I hear the Guardian of Forever is ready for his big comeback. I'll admit to being a little jaded with time travel as a plot device, but it still makes things possible. Rapid aging also means the next movie could include even a passing reference, or a scene or two, to LGBT issues in a mild and tasteful manner. Let it be David. Please please please please please.

Oh, and so as long as Carol has no salamander babies from Keenser, I'm down for the interspecies thing. Many thanks to Pavonis for making the most salient point, and to you all, as your input as knowledgeable Trekkers is so valuable to this conversation. It simply amazes me how the Trek is so progressive in so many areas, and is on the other hand a wasteland when it comes to LGBT recognition. I dearly hope the conversation continues until that day finally arrives...

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Old May 30 2013, 03:17 AM   #30
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I think that involving time travel just so that Kirk's future child could specifically be portrayed as homosexual would be a bit convoluted....And it would be far more meaningful if they made an established character gay.

Now in another thread, I'd been noting that in the current film (not much of a spoiler here), having Chekov subbing for Scotty only underscores a weakness in the ensemble, that we have two characters doing broad physical comedy...and that they ought to find something else to do with Chekov. Perhaps this...?
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