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Old May 24 2013, 02:27 PM   #256
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Maybe that "one week later" caption should say "one year later"?

As for the above spoiler:
Which never made much sense to me. Spock wasn't exactly a young man at the time.
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Old May 24 2013, 02:48 PM   #257
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Maybe that "one week later" caption should say "one year later"?
That's possible, I suppose. Still, it feels like another case where the comics writer wasn't fully briefed on the details of the movie. Bad Robot's desire for secrecy may be clashing with their desire for canon-consistent tie-ins.


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Which never made much sense to me. Spock wasn't exactly a young man at the time.
He was in his mid-30s. Vulcans live to be over 200. So yeah, proportionally, he was stil pretty young. There was also his line "I hoped I would be spared this," suggesting that maybe it had a late onset.

Then again, in TSFS, the regenerating Spock had his first pon farr in what appeared to be late adolescence. But that was hardly a typical scenario.
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Old May 24 2013, 06:10 PM   #258
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The Wormhole wrote: View Post
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Maybe that "one week later" caption should say "one year later"?

As for the above spoiler:
Which never made much sense to me. Spock wasn't exactly a young man at the time.
One of the novels-- Sarek, maybe?-- mentioned that Vulcans who spend a lot of time off-planet have their life cycles disrupted, and thus late onsets for pon farr.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:21 PM   #259
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MWI doesn't require that every imaginable reality actually happens; it just says that many of them happen. And of course the laws of physics and probability still apply; only things that are physically possible can happen, or things that can validly result from a given set of circumstances. There are lots of possible timelines that can be imagined but that couldn't actually happen without violating those parameters.

It may be unsatisfying but it sure as hell makes more sense than Voyager's time travel mechanics. Universes don't pop into existence when they branch. Pre-existing but overlapping timelines simply diverge.
Err, no, I don't think that's how it works. At least, not in the sense you mean. In any case, the distinction is irrelevant on the scale of personal experience and events, because we're still talking about a history that was identical until Nero came back, and that's very different from the Mirror Universe, which was different from a far earlier point.
Lol - yes I don't disagree with any of this, although in theory, there could be universes with different laws of physics, no matter how improbable, or at least universes where the physical properties of the universe are different, even if the same laws of physics are underpinning them.

Voyager's time travel is not what I personally mean when I talk about MW1 but many people do believe that a branch 'pops' into existence when a divergent event occurs and can be overwritten if someone goes back in time and 'rewrites' that divergent event. I'm still not 100% clear that I understand what Voyager was doing with the temporal police or the Krenim temporal incursions.

I've always viewed it as the viewer simply jumping tracks with the time traveller and becoming part of the history in the 'new' timeline.

In fact just because Spock Prime has a history identical to TOS Spock does not automatically mean that he IS from the TOS timeline any more than Mirror Spock Prime.

For all practical purposes they are the same (unless you are a dimension hopping Klingon I suppose) but a lot of people get worked up about this sort of thing. It's analogous to the transporter as a kill and clone machine I suppose. Alternate versions are different people and in some cases, they won't even be genetically the same, such as NuChekov, and maybe even Kirk's blue eyes if you want to be really pedantic.
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Old May 26 2013, 01:19 AM   #260
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Steve Mollmann wrote: View Post
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Maybe that "one week later" caption should say "one year later"?

As for the above spoiler:
Which never made much sense to me. Spock wasn't exactly a young man at the time.
One of the novels-- Sarek, maybe?-- mentioned that Vulcans who spend a lot of time off-planet have their life cycles disrupted, and thus late onsets for pon farr.
Why would that even be happening due to Spock's ongoing relationship?

In any event it's one more thing that makes me curious about After Darkness. I liked the plot of Countdown to Darkness better than Into Darkness and from what I've seen of the previews I think I might like After Darkness better as well.
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Old May 26 2013, 02:02 AM   #261
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Why would that even be happening due to Spock's ongoing relationship?
Like I said, his hormonal chemistry would be different if he were sexually active, and that might "prime" his system for an earlier onset of pon farr.
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Old May 26 2013, 08:02 AM   #262
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Why would that even be happening due to Spock's ongoing relationship?
Like I said, his hormonal chemistry would be different if he were sexually active, and that might "prime" his system for an earlier onset of pon farr.
Amok time, STIII, and Voyager also suggest that there is a telepathic component to Pon Farr. Sex with non-Vulcans may throw a monkey wrench into the cycle.
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Old May 28 2013, 10:23 PM   #263
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=16635 the following is a link to a preview of Issue 21. Looks pretty good.
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Old May 28 2013, 10:55 PM   #264
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Why would that even be happening due to Spock's ongoing relationship?
Like I said, his hormonal chemistry would be different if he were sexually active, and that might "prime" his system for an earlier onset of pon farr.
Don't appreciate the tone Christopher.

What I was getting at was that I was thinking Pon Farr occurred because Vulcans didn't have sex regularly. So if alternate Spock is having sex regularly with Uhura-which I am assuming is happening-why would he go through Pon Farr?
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Old May 28 2013, 10:59 PM   #265
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What I was getting at was that I was thinking Pon Farr occurred because Vulcans didn't have sex regularly. So if alternate Spock is having sex regularly with Uhura-which I am assuming is happening-why would he go through Pon Farr?
I seem to recall DC Fontana reassuring us that Vulcans do have sex more regularly that once every seven years.
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Old May 29 2013, 12:21 AM   #266
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Why would that even be happening due to Spock's ongoing relationship?
Like I said, his hormonal chemistry would be different if he were sexually active, and that might "prime" his system for an earlier onset of pon farr.
Don't appreciate the tone Christopher.

What I was getting at was that I was thinking Pon Farr occurred because Vulcans didn't have sex regularly.
This seems to be a common misconception. The first pon farr seems to be largely hormonal but after that the telepathic component comes into play. Maybe Vulcan women become fertile every 7 years and the telepathic link triggers pon farr. If the Vulcan male is not linked, or is not fully Vulcan, maybe the cycle becomes more irregular for both parties.

The fact that Tuvok could not suppress his pon farr by having sex with his holographic wife adds credence to the telepathic component.

The whole process is a bit nebulous though. Vulcans don't like to discuss it after all!
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Old May 29 2013, 02:31 PM   #267
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Why would that even be happening due to Spock's ongoing relationship?
Like I said, his hormonal chemistry would be different if he were sexually active, and that might "prime" his system for an earlier onset of pon farr.
Don't appreciate the tone Christopher.

What I was getting at was that I was thinking Pon Farr occurred because Vulcans didn't have sex regularly. So if alternate Spock is having sex regularly with Uhura-which I am assuming is happening-why would he go through Pon Farr?
Ponn farr is more a result of repressing emotions than it is not having sex. Spock could be banging Uhura every night, but as long as he's still repressing emotions in the proper Vulcan manner, he's still going to get the seven year itch.

Of course, Spock has already shown more emotion in the two Abrams movies than he did in all TOS combined without alien influence, so who knows?
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Old May 29 2013, 03:04 PM   #268
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Ponn farr is more a result of repressing emotions...
That's not a known fact, it's just an opinion McCoy expressed at one point in "Amok Time." And it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. Think about it: the episode also claimed that the rituals surrounding pon farr had been unchanged since the distant past -- but Vulcans only adopted logic and emotional repression a couple of millennia ago. This is the one part of their intrinsic emotional nature that they couldn't eliminate with logic, so they left it as it had always been. It's possible that the madness of the plak tow is more intense with the emotions pent up the rest of the time, but the actual periodic mating drive has been with them all along.

Of course, that does raise the question of whether the Romulans go through pon farr as well. I don't think we have any solid evidence one way or the other.


Of course, Spock has already shown more emotion in the two Abrams movies than he did in all TOS combined without alien influence, so who knows?
These movies are set in the late 2250s, between the time frames of "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before." In both of those pilots, Spock was more emotional than he was later in life -- even smiling openly at the chiming plants on Talos IV. So I see no inconsistency in the level of emotion expressed by Spock at this age.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:26 PM   #269
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Maybe that "one week later" caption should say "one year later"?
Having read the issue,


It's not explicitly stated and it can be danced around, though.
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It's not explicitly stated and it can be danced around, though.
I got the feeling, personally, that these are all things that are happening a year later. In CTD Kirk was told to drop April off and that he would not get any answers. Now a year later, after all that has happened with Marcus and who Kirk has become, he has been granted the opportunity to talk to April. That is how I was reading it.
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