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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 143 19.32%
A 160 21.62%
A- 99 13.38%
B+ 82 11.08%
B 58 7.84%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.24%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.73%
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Old May 29 2013, 02:47 PM   #3856
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I found the "war-crazed admiral" storyline by itself silly and cliche.
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Old May 29 2013, 02:58 PM   #3857
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The only reason that they made his character Khan in this film was to have the scene where Spock yells his name to re-enact TWOK.
Yeah I'm sure that's the reason. They made that whole scripe just for that one word.

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I found the "war-crazed admiral" storyline by itself silly and cliche.
Yes, but well done, imo.
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Old May 29 2013, 03:54 PM   #3858
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Cryogenic, reference your critique, there is some I agree with, and much I don't, but I won't go point by point. The one thing I will take issue with is your doubt in the ability for Kirk to directly contact Scott. I have a phone in my pocket right now which I could use to call an individual in Shanghi, China, (or send him a text message) if I so desire. I'm sure by the 23rd century, such communications technology will have advanced to cover even greater distances person to person.
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Old May 29 2013, 03:55 PM   #3859
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Well it wasn't comm-to-comm call. Kirk's communicator used the ship's system which in turn used subspace relays and such.
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Old May 29 2013, 04:07 PM   #3860
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Seems like the communicators also used text messaging. Pike was called to the meeting reading something. They are more or less cell phones at this point. But then again the cell phone was inspired by the communicators from TOS.
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Old May 29 2013, 04:12 PM   #3861
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I've waited to comment on the movie. I've read the various threads on here as well as other sites. I just can't get that worked up over some of the things others have. That's not to say valid points haven't been high-lighted.
I went into the movie expecting to be entertained and I was. I enjoyed the nods to past Trek canon, as well as the way the actors have taken to their respective roles. All in all, I thought the latest Trek movie was an A effort.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:03 PM   #3862
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Seems like the communicators also used text messaging. Pike was called to the meeting reading something. They are more or less cell phones at this point. But then again the cell phone was inspired by the communicators from TOS.
And yet greatly superior. Rewatch The Cage and check out how the camera focuses on Pike's communicator at the beginning like it's some amazing piece of tech. Kinda funny now.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:15 PM   #3863
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I found the "war-crazed admiral" storyline by itself silly and cliche.
Yes, but well done, imo.
At least Marcus wasn't going around saying Klingons were trying to pollute our precious bodily fluids.

I didn't have a problem with Marcus, either, even though he was over the top, son. In reality, Marcus struck me as grossly exaggerated and totally amoral versions of Curtis LeMay and Douglas MacArthur who somehow avoided any checks on his power or ambitions.

After all:
-- LeMay told anyone who would listen (even in public) that nuclear war with the Soviet Union was inevitable and major U.S. cities would be wiped out. In 1961 he told JFK he had a plan for a surprise attack on the USSR to beat them while the U.S. still held the nuclear advantage. Kennedy didn't even listen to the plan.
-- In October 1962, when Kennedy said no to LeMay's plan to bomb the missile sites in Cuba and went with a blockade instead, Ted Sorenson said LeMay likened that to Chamberlain at Munich and said the American people would never go for it.
--Think of how badly MacArthur wanted to escalate the Korean War to use it as an excuse to invade China.

So, is it that much of a stretch to create a grossly audacious character with an itch for war with the Klingons that has to be scratched?
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Old May 29 2013, 06:14 PM   #3864
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I found the "war-crazed admiral" storyline by itself silly and cliche.
Yes, but well done, imo.
At least Marcus wasn't going around saying Klingons were trying to pollute our precious bodily fluids.

I didn't have a problem with Marcus, either, even though he was over the top, son. In reality, Marcus struck me as grossly exaggerated and totally amoral versions of Curtis LeMay and Douglas MacArthur who somehow avoided any checks on his power or ambitions.

After all:
-- LeMay told anyone who would listen (even in public) that nuclear war with the Soviet Union was inevitable and major U.S. cities would be wiped out. In 1961 he told JFK he had a plan for a surprise attack on the USSR to beat them while the U.S. still held the nuclear advantage. Kennedy didn't even listen to the plan.
-- In October 1962, when Kennedy said no to LeMay's plan to bomb the missile sites in Cuba and went with a blockade instead, Ted Sorenson said LeMay likened that to Chamberlain at Munich and said the American people would never go for it.
--Think of how badly MacArthur wanted to escalate the Korean War to use it as an excuse to invade China.

So, is it that much of a stretch to create a grossly audacious character with an itch for war with the Klingons that has to be scratched?
IIRC there is an interview with Peter Weller where he mentions LeMay in respect to his character.
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Old May 29 2013, 06:20 PM   #3865
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Since it WAS filmed, partially, at the brewery
sigh. As a resident of a state with MANY fine breweries, I see NO reason why films of any genre shouldn't use them as settings. Along with our many, many taverns....
I was simply stating facts, not commenting on them. I like the new look of engineering.
I agree! Since I live in a state with the unofficial state song "In Heaven There Is No Beer",I also think any movie is better with beer -or set in a brewery!
Image the magnificence of F&F 6 - set in the MillerCoors plant, or Iron Man at the old Blatz factory!
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Old May 29 2013, 07:32 PM   #3866
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Let's see:

The Enterprise can now maneuver in an atmosphere with ease. It's as handy as a helicopter.
She was built in the atmosphere. I kinda hope she can maneuver there.
Kirk is portrayed as an incompetent who is ultimately responsible for all the deaths in San Francisco.
Just like TWOK right?
The "Transwarp transporter" is back which means starships are definitely obsolete, in case that wasn't clear from the last movie.
Cause you can totally invade a planet by beaming five people at a time.
Khan has somehow become and English white guy.
And Kirk has blue eyes and McCoy is Australian. New actors.
Death itself has been conquered with Khan's magic blood.
He was only mostly dead.
There's lots more but these are the highlights for me. What a piece of crap.

Full review is HERE.
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Old May 29 2013, 07:48 PM   #3867
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Full review is HERE.
Nah, we're good.
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Old May 29 2013, 08:21 PM   #3868
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There's lots more but these are the highlights for me. What a piece of crap.

Full review is HERE.
Nah, we're good.
Yep.
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Old May 29 2013, 10:39 PM   #3869
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McCoy is Australian.
Karl Urban is from New Zealand.
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Old May 29 2013, 11:27 PM   #3870
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(he genocidally rammed his ship instead)
Nero was the one going around destroying planets. That's the genocide you're looking for. You seem intent on widening the definition of genocide to include the one who stops the genocide from continuing, but that's blatant nonsense.

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Other delights include the continued objectification of women
Not a fan of TOS, I take it. Or is that what we call the "just because TOS did it doesn't make it okay" fallacy?

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Alternate universe. Explained in the first film
Supposedly, it will be explained in the comics. It isn't explained by the alternate universe because Khan is originally from long before 2233.
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