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Old May 28 2013, 11:21 PM   #31
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Re: AFT NACELLE (Spoilers)

Maybe something on the ship can be called "nacelle" other than the warp nacelles, you guys. It's not really important.

It's about as important as "klingon warbird".
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Old May 29 2013, 12:42 AM   #32
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The aft nacelle is next to the ion pod, right behind the bowling alley.
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Old May 29 2013, 01:20 AM   #33
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No... he CLEARLY, 100% says something other than 'aft nacelle', which we all know makes absolutely no sense, and wouldn't have survived to the final print in even the most amateurish fan film. He clearly says something that merely (but unfortunately) sounds a bit like 'aft nacelle', but isn't. And that's the only thing that's obvious.

This reminds me of the arguments of several posters years back, who insisted that JJ had changed Kirk's middle name in Trek '09, because they were convinced that the kid-Kirk told the cop his name was James Siberius Kirk".
Get a grip, he says aft nacelle. It's obvious, and apart from you and your bizarrely deluded hearing, everyone in this thread agrees.
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Old May 29 2013, 02:04 AM   #34
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FWIW Memory Alpha has picked up "aft nacelle" and has added it to their lexicon...
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Old May 29 2013, 02:07 AM   #35
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I wonder if there was a change to the dialog, and no one picked up the absurdity of what was being said.

I have the novelization before me. On pg. 265, he says,

In contrast, I will selectively target the life-support systems located in the vicinity of the engine nacelles.
There are I think great lines and monologues in this book that would have helped the film. I would be happier with the film if some of them were included. They answer some of the questions that should have been addressed in the film. I don't have an issue with a three-hour film, if that film is entertaining.
You beat me to it! That is the reason why I always buy the novel of the movie - some things will change by the time the final script comes out or even on a day to day basis, but it does provide more depth (as it should).
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Old May 29 2013, 02:09 AM   #36
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"I will target your life support systems located behind the Taco Bell."

Yep, he definitely said "Taco Bell". Khan wanted to hit the Enterprise with a torpedo right in the chalupa.
Now that you mentioned it, I now am remembering this dialog in "Wrath of Khan":

[Enterprise bridge]
KIRK: Damage report.
SPOCK: They knew exactly where to hit us. Right in the chalupa!
I sense a Sombrerobatch photoshop coming...
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Old May 29 2013, 03:19 AM   #37
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Maybe something on the ship can be called "nacelle" other than the warp nacelles, you guys.
Like I said, the spine of the saucer that runs from the bridge dome to the impulse engines. Otherwise known as the "impulse nacelle" or sometimes "impulse deck."

So the ship has two warp nacelles (or "the port nacelle" and "the starboard nacelle") and an impulse nacelle ("the aft nacelle").
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Old May 29 2013, 03:47 AM   #38
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I wonder what's "in the vicinity of the engine nacelles" other than the pylons that attach them to the rest of the ship.
I read that line as referring to "in the vicinity of [where] the engine nacelles [attach to the ship]", aka the bases of the pylons.
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Old May 29 2013, 04:37 AM   #39
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Lazy writing maybe?
Definitely. The whole screenplay is littered with laziness, this is just one of the more minor examples... pretty sad for a movie with a nearly $200 million dollar production budget.
They made a similar mistake in their 2009 crapfest:

At the 46-minute mark in ST09, Pike issues the following instruction:

"Divert auxiliary power from port nacelles to forward shields."

So, fans attempting to rationalize this new error are faced with an additional problem: if there is, indeed, an "aft nacelle" of some kind, separate to the massive warp engines that the word "nacelle" has traditionally, in ST lore, referred to, why are there "port nacelles", plural; or, put the other way, why is there only one "aft nacelle", as implied in Khan's threat, while multiple nacelles, per Pike's order in the 2009 film, reside at "port"? Seems a little unbalanced and unsatisfying to me.


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A few possibilities exist (not mutually exclusive), I think, to explain these two-errors-for-the-price-of-one:

1) The writers are inventing things willy-nilly.

2) The writers don't care about following Star Trek lore or about being accurate or coherent.

3) The writers are actively trying to dismantle Star Trek lore and thumb their noses at accuracy and coherence.

4) The writers are incompetent and care more about a paycheck than creating something innovative, layered, thoughtful, and lasting; or they, for some indiscernible reason, believe that these latter qualities can be created independently of the former (accuracy and coherence).
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Old May 29 2013, 04:46 AM   #40
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So the ship has two warp nacelles (or "the port nacelle" and "the starboard nacelle") and an impulse nacelle ("the aft nacelle").
Which still makes no sense, as it is further forward on the ship (and on the saucer, no less) than the warp nacelles. How could anyone refer to it as the aft nacelle? There would have to be one on the front of the saucer to justify that.

Considering Orci/Kurtz put Delta Vega wherever the hell they wanted last time out, I'm surprised this isn't just taken as another, "Oh, those two wacky guys!" moment.
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Old May 29 2013, 04:50 AM   #41
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There can't be an "impulse nacelle," nacelle means separate enclosure.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:06 AM   #42
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I would be very surprised if these writers even know what a nacelle is.
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Old May 29 2013, 05:35 AM   #43
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"Nacelle...she was the old Uhura, right?"
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Old May 29 2013, 11:29 AM   #44
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There can't be an "impulse nacelle," nacelle means separate enclosure.
Then I have nothing. Best to ignore that line, then.
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Old May 29 2013, 11:53 AM   #45
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A few possibilities exist (not mutually exclusive), I think, to explain these two-errors-for-the-price-of-one:

1) The writers are inventing things willy-nilly.

2) The writers don't care about following Star Trek lore


Oh dear.

All because of a slight mix-up of terminology when the rest of both films are FILLED with references, easter eggs and homages that should more than satisfy Trek fans.

Nerd rage certainly is funny to watch.
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